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  • I don’t figure enough with the network setup to have gotten locked out like that, but i have managed to run a shutdown when i meant to do a reboot, one time it was on a well integrated embedded device without an external power switch, so they had to power cycle a big part of the system to get it back online 🫣






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    9 days ago

    Oh are you walking back the “it would be unethical” claim, and the claim that AI model cannot give nuanced responses like a human can?

    Sounds like you are now saying that a model can be made that is far better than any human expert, but since it can never be perfect and because people are far less forgiving when machines make mistakes, therefore what exactly?

    If we could make something that would reduce the absolute amount of yearly mushroom poisonings, then i would view that as an ethically good thing, not doing so would be like not making a medicine because it can give side effects, if the benefits outweigh the risks then i view it as a good thing





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    10 days ago

    So experts cannot identify mushrooms at all by looking at it?

    They might turn it around and look at it from different angles, but then just make an AI that takes in multiple images from different angles, maybe have it ask for different angles if it cannot see everything it needs to see.

    And if the experts use other senses besides vision, like smell and touch, just make an AI that says “it might be X or Y, only way to tell them apart is through the smell, so i can’t be sure”


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    So the argument is that you tried an AI once and it didn’t do a thing, therefore it is impossible to create an AI that is able to do it?

    Let’s say we reach the point where we can scan and then simulate the entire brain of a mushroom expert, then you’d have an AI that would give the same responses as a human expert would, is it ethical now? (Ignoring the ethics of simulating a person like that)

    Simple classification problems are relatively trivial, just train an image classifier to take in a picture of a mushroom and have it predict the type, as well as whether or not the mushroom is similar to a dangerous one, and for good measure whether the picture is good enough to give reliable results. Train it based on feedback from experts and it should end up as reliable as the experts it was based on


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    So an AI that can identify mushrooms and also tell the user if a mushroom is too similar to a different dangerous mushroom to be identified with a high enough certanity for it to be safe, would be ethical?

    Then how can anyone claim that no such system can ever be created? That makes no sense


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    By that logic it would be unethical for an expert to give advice, or to even teach others to identify mushrooms, since they too are fallible and it could lead to death?

    Or saying it was unethical to invent cars because they can (and most certainly do) cause deaths.

    Almost everything would be unethical really, the world is chaotic, nothing is perfect, deaths happen, all we can do is work to reduce the risks