Teslas be like
(elon doesn’t believe in lidar)
Looks like this homeowner got lucky the car didn’t hit a wall. Replacing just a garage door is way easier than repairing structural damage to the walls… Hopefully the driver’s insurance pays for all of it.
I saw my first Tesla this week with the “I bought this before Elon went nuts” bumper sticker. I don’t give a fuck when you bought that garbage, its a fucking dangerous piece of shit and shouldn’t be on the roads with real cars. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for EVs taking over the market, just as long as they aren’t teslas.
You bought this tesla in 1993? Neat
You don’t have to use the self driving features of a Tesla. As long as we’re not talking about Cybertrucks, they’re still a regular car with mechanically connected steering and brakes.
The back seats not having manual releases and other baffling design decisions might be dangerous for the people inside, but I don’t really have a problem being on the road next to them.
If the person driver is trying to escape culpability, too bad. They made the decision to use Tesla autopilot which is well known to go crazy and crash into things, so the fault remains with them.
That’s a bad take.
Tesla built the system, and advertised it to provide a specific service. That service is faulty. Tesla is at fault.
You can’t expect every consumer to just understand that the company selling the product is outright lying. That’s putting the responsibility in the wrong hands, and absolving corporations of lying to the public.
It was autopilot, not FSD. It’s adaptive cruise control. Originally also lane keeping but Tesla was forced to remove that
The article says the car swerved into the garage, which means the car took control of the steering wheel and turned it off the road into the house.
Tesla says the cars should be able to drive straight on the road without driver input. This car took control and drove it into a wall.
That is Tesla’s fault, not the driver. Heck, based on the information here, even if the driver was 100% paying attention, they might not have had the reaction time to stop the car.
Was literally in a self drive Tesla a couple of days ago. 2023 model. Self drove 170 miles door to door except final parking. So I’m not sure what you mean when you say they removed it.
The other gimmicky Tesla stuff aside, the self drive was freaking awesome.
This is crazy, I was in a parking lot yesterday and saw someone have their Tesla driver right up to them to pick them up in the parking lot with no driver inside. Kind of pissed me off I was so near in the same parking lot that was operating on its own, with my wife and nieces. I know Elon Musk wouldn’t give one fuck about me if his dumbass machine ran me or mine right over
You couldn’t pay me to drive a Tesla, and that’s doubly true for Tesla on “autopilot”.
That’s bad that the car’s software confused a closed garage door for a kid.
I swear most Teslas I hear driving always have a “rattle” when they go over bumps. Sounds like bad build quality, I rarely hear other cars with the issue. For sure seem like poorly made cars.
I may have had bad luck, but I feel like this is very common across any American car brand. Recently rode in a new Rivian, and the door closing had a rattle like something was a little loose.
Did the road runner paint a tunnel on it again?
This is a murder idea right here.
A YouTuber already proved that Teslas autopilot would drive straight through a portrait of a road. Since it only uses cameras without other tech like lidar
So would plenty of human drivers.
Human drivers can pull in environmental and other cues though, like “why is there daylight on the road inside a building?”
Sure because humans don’t have radar and lidar. Something Tesla chose not to put on their vehicle.
Why is this person called a driver?
Later he was fined by the HOA because the garage door being open since 20 minutes
The sentence structure that people from different non-english-speaking countries use is really interesting.
After working with so many people from India, I would guess this person was originally from there. “Since 20 minutes” is a fairly common way that they say it.
In French you would say “depuis 20 minutes” which literally translates to “since 20 minutes,” and I imagine many other languages would phrase it the same way.
Are people stupid enough to actually trust Tesla’s autopilot, or do they do it on purpose to then sue Tesla?
Nevermind, I know the answer…
It works well, until it doesn’t. That first part lulls people into complacency. I rented a Kia last year that had automatic cruise control and lane keep assist and it kept me on the road far past when I should have pulled over and taken a nap from being sleep deprived after a redeye flight. Dangerous? Yes. Skill issue? Maybe. What I took away from the experience is that it is frighteningly easy to get used to a thing “just working” and forget about its limitations when it is convenient. I also learned that I do not want lane keep assist or automatic cruise control in my personal car.
I really like the automatic cruise control on my fairly new Honda Jazz. I’ve found that it has a net positive effect on my attention to the road, because I become less fatigued from the small, brief slowdowns that I might encounter on a motorway. There was actually an instance where I narrowly avoided a crash while using this system because of how quickly I acted when a potentially dangerous situation developed into an active crash; I felt like I was more alert than I would’ve otherwise been after a day of driving
However, I do not like the lane-keeping system, especially combined with the automatic cruise control. I remember testing it when I was on a clear but fairly curved section of the motorway, with my hands completely off the wheel (but hovering over the wheel, ready to take control again if necessary). I was horrified by how effectively it took me round the bend — effectively enough to be dangerous. There is a warning beep if you spend too long without your hands on the wheel at all for a while, but this was just something I did while testing it. I’ve not used it since, because I was confident that, unlike the automatic cruise control used on its own, this would diminish my attention and leave me unable to properly respond to an exceptional circumstances.
This is basically automation bias you’re describing and it’s what scares the hell out of me with these “FSD” teslas on the road.
Even if you were able to keep constantly alert during the 99% of the time where this works (which I think is close to humanly impossible) why would you want a system that doesn’t offload you at all? The only value of this system is if people ignore the limitations and allow themselves to zone out - the rest of us are at risk when it goes wrong!
[…] why would you want a system that doesn’t offload you at all? The only value of this system is if people ignore the limitations and allow themselves to zone out […]
I think there are some “absolutes” used here that make these things incorrect.
- “doesn’t offload you at all” means that these systems provide 0 offloading, which is not true — not even for the classic cruise control that only maintains speed.
- “The only value of this system is if people ignore the limitations and allow themselves to zone out” means that there’s no other value it provides. Using the old classic cruise control as an example again, it provides value even without being able to its limitations.
That said, my car is a bit old and just has the classic kind of cruise control. I’ve only used the newer stuff on a few road trips in rental cars, so maybe I just haven’t had enough experience with it to reach the levels of carelessness required to drive into a garage door yet.
Cruise control lets me relax my legs. It’s purely mechanical.
Other automations like lane assist and emergency break system saves my ass if I’m not paying attention. FSD (if used as intended) does exactly the opposite: I have to save it’s ass if/when it overlooks something. I have to be constantly alert without almost ever having a reason to. The human mind is not made for that. I would 100% find it harder to pay attention in that scenario than if I’m also doing the driving and not because Elon is an asshole.
If I could check my email or read a book and have the car say “take over in 10 seconds time” I would get it, but if I’m constantly aware, hands on the ready and eyes on the road I would literally much much mucho much rather not have it at all.
But of course that’s not how it’s being used. Tesla drivers are willing to run the risk on behalf of themselves and anyone they are sharing the road with.
I use lane assist and traffic aware cruise to keep my shoulders and (bad) knee physically relaxed on long highway stretches. That said, I would probably choose to tolerate the inevitable day of neck and/or knee pain if it meant no one was using this stuff. Automation bias is scary.
I own modern Kia with these systems you described. I use this almost constantly BUT: the first month after getting the car I was terrified, literally scared and 15 minutes drive exhausted me just like 2 hours in my previous car. I was learning to trust the system, had to known all the limitations first. I now know when to take over and really like adaptive cruise control especially in traffic.
I am a software engineer though, there is nothing “smart” in my home (apart from TV obviously) and I can see how people can fall into the trap you described.
“autopilot” shouldn’t even be used on a narrow residential street like that.
Putting the company aside for a second, genuinely why? Low speed residential, especially narrow or precision driving should be bread and butter tier 2 autonomous driving, right under tier 1 = highway, and quite a lot over the complexities of mixed use areas at higher speed. Unless you specifically meant their Tesla autopilot and not the concept as a whole with it in quotes.
Wyl E. Coyote with the paint.
I thought they stopped calling it autopilot due to legal stuff and such, or has that not gone through yet?
It’s “full self driving (supervised)” last I checked.
Autopilot isnt FSD Supervised.
Autopilot just keeps you in lane and distanced from a lead car, mainly meant for highways/ freeways. A combination of auto steer (for lane) and traffic aware cruise control.
FSD Supervised is meant for anywhere and will take turns, change lanes, stop for lights etc.
They no longer sell or include AP, and its been renamed to something involving autosteer for existing owners. New purchases can only subscribe to FSD Supervised now.
They might be one of the only major OEMs that dont include any kind of lane keeping in their cars now, which is pretty much standard now.
They no longer sell or include AP
That’s true only in the USA and Canada. You can still get autopilot in most of the world, especially in countries where FSD isn’t approved.
Oh youre right, my bad on that. Thanks!
