Someone posted a meme making fun of people saying two things can be bad, implying one side (Russia) isn’t really bad. Someone replies that the overt nazi stuff putin says is pretty bad.
You reply with whatabout Ukraine nazis.
Either you are agreeing with the point that two things can be bad at the same time, or saying that one side doing nazi stuff is fine, actually because the other side does as well. Which is it?
You are saying we are excluding Putin. That is the straw man. Putin is a capitalist oligarch that should have never led Russia and he has come into power due to the reforms led by western interests and the illegal dissolution of the USSR which has caused untold suffering, in ways like you have leeches like Putin that say Nazi stuff.
Now, what you’re “outlining” is just false, anyone who can read English can see what’s going on in this thread. Ukrainian soldiers are openly using Neo-Nazi imagery on their official uniforms. A US backed pro-NATO president is taking photos with these Nazi symbols proudly (while claiming to be a Jewish convert which is a whole other can of worms).
Yes, Putin is using Nazi rhetoric, as is Trump, many other western and European leaders, Indian and Asian leaders, etc. but this does not change the fact that you can find pictures of Zelensky posing with his own countries soldiers wearing swastikas or swastika/SS adjacent symbols like wolfsangel, black sun, totenkopf, etc.
I gotta stop feeding trolls this shit sucks too much energy out of me
Thanks, uh, I’m not SkyezOpen. Sorry if I interrupted your conversation.
Putin is a capitalist oligarch that should have never led Russia
you can find pictures of Zelensky posing with his own countries soldiers wearing swastikas
So you’re saying that on OP’s infographic we should be supporting neither Ukraine or Russia? Or should we be slightly to the right on the Russia-Ukraine axis because it’s better to support a capitalist oligarch using Nazi rhetoric than not supporting anyone?
I’m not telling anyone who or what to support, I am only explaining the ways I’ve come to understand my own Anti-War position as a leftist and I also love pointing out the lies America has spread
I don’t doubt that the Ukrainian army is full nazis and fascists. I also don’t doubt that the Russian army is full of nazbols and fascists. Armies tend to attract those sorts.
I wouldn’t really know, but I would not imagine that Ukraine is a progressive country. Outside of the liberal enclaves of the bigger cities, I imagine it’s pretty bad actually. But here’s my surface level view.
Russia:
has invaded a neighbouring sovereign country,
puts people in prison for being openly gay,
has banned legal and healthcare provision for trans people, and
openly declares to the world stage that it is fighting a rearguard action against western degeneracy in favour of Christian family values.
(Admittedly I do not speak Russian and I can’t speak to what is translated as degeneracy or satanism or what-have-you, but no one has credibly disputed that this is the essence of what Russian ministers are saying on camera.)
Ukraine:
has not invaded any of its neighbours recently,
has, on paper at least, legal protections for LGBT people, and
is still signed up to the European Convention of Human Rights.
Regardless of the specific iconography that the less pleasant members of its citizenry choose to display their chuddery, one of the countries is prima facie more nazi than the other in its behaviour at this moment in time. And it’s going to take a lot more than “hurr durr imperialist propaganda” to convince me that it’s Ukraine, given those bare facts.
Pride parade in Kiev in 2022 lasted 10 minutes, organisators dispersed them because crowd of neonazis gathered and it started to look really dangerous. In 2023 it was cancelled afaik, in 2024 there was 500 participants and way more cops, and in 2025 there was around 1500 participants including soldiers and support from other countries (with unknown numbers for both) and there was so many cops they formed multiple ranks around.
I suppose you’re going to tell me that every allegation that Ukraine is ethnically cleansing Russians is true, and every allegation than Russia is ethnically cleansing Ukrainians (and Georgians, for that matter) is a lie?
Pretty sure I just pointed out which one was less nazi. I think I was pretty clear about the fact that I definitely wouldn’t consider either one of them my friends.
What about when Ukrainian is are using overt Nazi symbols?
I want to outline what just happened here.
Someone posted a meme making fun of people saying two things can be bad, implying one side (Russia) isn’t really bad. Someone replies that the overt nazi stuff putin says is pretty bad.
You reply with whatabout Ukraine nazis.
Either you are agreeing with the point that two things can be bad at the same time, or saying that one side doing nazi stuff is fine, actually because the other side does as well. Which is it?
You did a whataboutism and then someone talked about the original subject and activated your idiot hypocrite trap card
I want to engage in aggressive strawmanning*
Is that the right fallacy? What’s the strawman?
You are saying we are excluding Putin. That is the straw man. Putin is a capitalist oligarch that should have never led Russia and he has come into power due to the reforms led by western interests and the illegal dissolution of the USSR which has caused untold suffering, in ways like you have leeches like Putin that say Nazi stuff.
Now, what you’re “outlining” is just false, anyone who can read English can see what’s going on in this thread. Ukrainian soldiers are openly using Neo-Nazi imagery on their official uniforms. A US backed pro-NATO president is taking photos with these Nazi symbols proudly (while claiming to be a Jewish convert which is a whole other can of worms).
Yes, Putin is using Nazi rhetoric, as is Trump, many other western and European leaders, Indian and Asian leaders, etc. but this does not change the fact that you can find pictures of Zelensky posing with his own countries soldiers wearing swastikas or swastika/SS adjacent symbols like wolfsangel, black sun, totenkopf, etc.
I gotta stop feeding trolls this shit sucks too much energy out of me
Thanks, uh, I’m not SkyezOpen. Sorry if I interrupted your conversation.
So you’re saying that on OP’s infographic we should be supporting neither Ukraine or Russia? Or should we be slightly to the right on the Russia-Ukraine axis because it’s better to support a capitalist oligarch using Nazi rhetoric than not supporting anyone?
I’m not telling anyone who or what to support, I am only explaining the ways I’ve come to understand my own Anti-War position as a leftist and I also love pointing out the lies America has spread
Damn right, fuck war and fuck imperialists.
By the way,
Got a link? My leftist group chat doesn’t believe this, and I can’t find anything myself that’s not obviously doctored.
Here’s one
I don’t doubt that the Ukrainian army is full nazis and fascists. I also don’t doubt that the Russian army is full of nazbols and fascists. Armies tend to attract those sorts.
I wouldn’t really know, but I would not imagine that Ukraine is a progressive country. Outside of the liberal enclaves of the bigger cities, I imagine it’s pretty bad actually. But here’s my surface level view.
Russia:
Ukraine:
Regardless of the specific iconography that the less pleasant members of its citizenry choose to display their chuddery, one of the countries is prima facie more nazi than the other in its behaviour at this moment in time. And it’s going to take a lot more than “hurr durr imperialist propaganda” to convince me that it’s Ukraine, given those bare facts.
Ukraine:
Has been engaged in ethnic cleansing since 2014
A pretty big one to leave out
they’re “pro”-LGBT tho 🥴
Pride parade in Kiev in 2022 lasted 10 minutes, organisators dispersed them because crowd of neonazis gathered and it started to look really dangerous. In 2023 it was cancelled afaik, in 2024 there was 500 participants and way more cops, and in 2025 there was around 1500 participants including soldiers and support from other countries (with unknown numbers for both) and there was so many cops they formed multiple ranks around.
it only took them 3 years to get in line with the propaganda lol
I suppose you’re going to tell me that every allegation that Ukraine is ethnically cleansing Russians is true, and every allegation than Russia is ethnically cleansing Ukrainians (and Georgians, for that matter) is a lie?
So much for “I just can’t help believe that maybe I shouldn’t be on their side” when it comes to Nazis…
Pretty sure I just pointed out which one was less nazi. I think I was pretty clear about the fact that I definitely wouldn’t consider either one of them my friends.
So you’re not on Ukrainians side either?
They’re not invading Russia other than a small little portion a few years after the war started.
Those Nazi battalions would be far less defensible if Russia didn’t pose a credible military threat to Ukraine.
You consider Nazi battalions defensible?
I would say that Nazis are always indefensible.
Yes we all know history started in 2022
Yes, we all know history ended in 1991
I was very clearly (I felt) referencing the context from 1990-2022 that you had left out of your caping for and downplaying of the Nazis in Ukraine.