Someone posted a meme making fun of people saying two things can be bad, implying one side (Russia) isn’t really bad. Someone replies that the overt nazi stuff putin says is pretty bad.
You reply with whatabout Ukraine nazis.
Either you are agreeing with the point that two things can be bad at the same time, or saying that one side doing nazi stuff is fine, actually because the other side does as well. Which is it?
You are saying we are excluding Putin. That is the straw man. Putin is a capitalist oligarch that should have never led Russia and he has come into power due to the reforms led by western interests and the illegal dissolution of the USSR which has caused untold suffering, in ways like you have leeches like Putin that say Nazi stuff.
Now, what you’re “outlining” is just false, anyone who can read English can see what’s going on in this thread. Ukrainian soldiers are openly using Neo-Nazi imagery on their official uniforms. A US backed pro-NATO president is taking photos with these Nazi symbols proudly (while claiming to be a Jewish convert which is a whole other can of worms).
Yes, Putin is using Nazi rhetoric, as is Trump, many other western and European leaders, Indian and Asian leaders, etc. but this does not change the fact that you can find pictures of Zelensky posing with his own countries soldiers wearing swastikas or swastika/SS adjacent symbols like wolfsangel, black sun, totenkopf, etc.
I gotta stop feeding trolls this shit sucks too much energy out of me
Thanks, uh, I’m not SkyezOpen. Sorry if I interrupted your conversation.
Putin is a capitalist oligarch that should have never led Russia
you can find pictures of Zelensky posing with his own countries soldiers wearing swastikas
So you’re saying that on OP’s infographic we should be supporting neither Ukraine or Russia? Or should we be slightly to the right on the Russia-Ukraine axis because it’s better to support a capitalist oligarch using Nazi rhetoric than not supporting anyone?
I’m not telling anyone who or what to support, I am only explaining the ways I’ve come to understand my own Anti-War position as a leftist and I also love pointing out the lies America has spread
That’s for sure their wolfsangel symbol, thanks. Doesn’t the photo misidentify the symbol though? The wolfsangel isn’t an SS logo afaik, and the blurry insignia looks more like a 44 than SS.
this is the one that I meant, thank you! AFAIK there’s nothing of Zelenskyy denouncing these types of symbols or atleast acknowledging their anti semitism. There’s no way he doesn’t know either guys, just look at those symbols.
I want to outline what just happened here.
Someone posted a meme making fun of people saying two things can be bad, implying one side (Russia) isn’t really bad. Someone replies that the overt nazi stuff putin says is pretty bad.
You reply with whatabout Ukraine nazis.
Either you are agreeing with the point that two things can be bad at the same time, or saying that one side doing nazi stuff is fine, actually because the other side does as well. Which is it?
You did a whataboutism and then someone talked about the original subject and activated your idiot hypocrite trap card
I want to engage in aggressive strawmanning*
Is that the right fallacy? What’s the strawman?
You are saying we are excluding Putin. That is the straw man. Putin is a capitalist oligarch that should have never led Russia and he has come into power due to the reforms led by western interests and the illegal dissolution of the USSR which has caused untold suffering, in ways like you have leeches like Putin that say Nazi stuff.
Now, what you’re “outlining” is just false, anyone who can read English can see what’s going on in this thread. Ukrainian soldiers are openly using Neo-Nazi imagery on their official uniforms. A US backed pro-NATO president is taking photos with these Nazi symbols proudly (while claiming to be a Jewish convert which is a whole other can of worms).
Yes, Putin is using Nazi rhetoric, as is Trump, many other western and European leaders, Indian and Asian leaders, etc. but this does not change the fact that you can find pictures of Zelensky posing with his own countries soldiers wearing swastikas or swastika/SS adjacent symbols like wolfsangel, black sun, totenkopf, etc.
I gotta stop feeding trolls this shit sucks too much energy out of me
Thanks, uh, I’m not SkyezOpen. Sorry if I interrupted your conversation.
So you’re saying that on OP’s infographic we should be supporting neither Ukraine or Russia? Or should we be slightly to the right on the Russia-Ukraine axis because it’s better to support a capitalist oligarch using Nazi rhetoric than not supporting anyone?
I’m not telling anyone who or what to support, I am only explaining the ways I’ve come to understand my own Anti-War position as a leftist and I also love pointing out the lies America has spread
Damn right, fuck war and fuck imperialists.
By the way,
Got a link? My leftist group chat doesn’t believe this, and I can’t find anything myself that’s not obviously doctored.
Here’s one
That’s for sure their wolfsangel symbol, thanks. Doesn’t the photo misidentify the symbol though? The wolfsangel isn’t an SS logo afaik, and the blurry insignia looks more like a 44 than SS.
this is the one that I meant, thank you! AFAIK there’s nothing of Zelenskyy denouncing these types of symbols or atleast acknowledging their anti semitism. There’s no way he doesn’t know either guys, just look at those symbols.