The meme suggest they are not, and to be fair they do have some differing points. But really only libs think it’s some very important point to not lump conservatists with them for their support of capitalism, which is also the moment where socialists do usually lump them.

Trotskyists are worth their ice

Liberal meme detected

Did somebody said it’s 3AM?

I would say real considering it works really well.

One of the most obvious illustrations how capitalism socialise costs and privatises profits.

Using present tense imply they weren’t killed, making even your vague anecdote wrong.

Literally the same kind of chaos occured whet the revolution happened in 1917

Seriously you don’t see any difference in popular revolution overthrowing centuries long tyranny and literal foreign agents overthrowing a state contrary to people wishes and establishing comprador tyranny?

USSR, especially late one was quite capitelistic itself

I am starting to suspect you see history not as dialectical process but as set snapshots.

i fail te see the connection

Considering the above, it does not surprise me anymore.

was literally ruled by gangs and otherwise criminal mob. It had nothing to do with any doctrine

Yes it does happen when capitalism is introduced, it’s a feature of expanding capitalism, either colonial or imperialist.

I love how this thread is like microcosm of westolefto. We got decaying carcass of kautskyism sprinkled by raw cointelpro, dbzeroer anticommunist, solarpunk asspull nonsense and of course .worlder who starts with ableism plus another one who gets angry when provided with evidence.

Don’t like your freedom to die from overworking? Well you damn sure better do, else you could also get your freedom military dictatorship back again.

I see EU finally came out from the nazi closet.

There is quite literal Opium War going right now (and for few decades in the past) but China has nothing to do with it, it’s waged by the US government against people of US and some other countries mostly in Central and South America.

US told them

Not nearly as much as you think, as i said, clientele systems that really is existing at this point, would be used for that. Right now let’s say lobby group made of powerful interest groups like MIC or oil or finance is bribing politicians (politicians and political parties would naturally still exist under direct democracy, just in maybe different forms) but they still have their powerbase and they would mobilise all the people dependent on them for the elections. “Don’t want to lose your job/grant/contract/whatever, vote like we want and mobilise people dependent on you to do the same, and so on and on from top to bottom”. Just as it worked every time before.

It wouldn’t be viewed in this light, just as current vote X no matter who aren’t percieved as corrupted. Ever heard of the patron-client system? It fucked up direct democracy every single time, and would resurface hard in politics.

“This product’s ad intrerupted what I was watching. I will now wholly support this company by purchasing their products.”

I don’t think this is what you could call “tolerance”. Tolerance for marketing is just getting used to it and not minding it. In the capitalist society the marketing is everywhere and you can’t avoid it so it’s often the case.

No, it’s not hard, it happened many times in Greek cities. Polish noble democracy in Commonwealth also became corrupted in exactly this way. You can see it even nowadays in the part of bourgeois democracies that are direct, for example European presidental elections, “vote x no matter what” blocks are found and it result in electing such people like Nawrocki in Poland. I mention him because he’s incredible example, barely anyone ever heard of that guy before elections (except prosecutioner) but the magical hand of PiS chairman marked him as the desired candidate and suddenly he actually won against very well known liberal politician Trzaskowski (and Trzaskowski was least horrible lib in Poland).

Yes, you certainly do seems to think that, thx for confirmation.