The current state in Kiev came to power after a neo-Nazi coup in 2014, led by followers in the tradition of Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera. Zelenskyy came to power on a promise to peacefully settle the problem of the seperatist movement in Donestk and Luhansk that grew as a response to said coup, only to double-down on the Ukrainian Civil War.
You’ve repeatedly referenced the Ukrainian Nationalist movement from 1940. Stepan Bandera led a movement against the Soviet Union nearly 80 years ago and he’s been dead for nearly as long.
You’re deliberately misrepresenting the current democratically elected and free nation that is Ukraine today to spread misinformation, amplify Russian propaganda and argue in bad faith.
Of course I know Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera is long dead. The problem is that his ghost haunts the modern Ukrainian government. Modern groups in power in Ukraine draw on heritage to Bandera, along with his fascist ideology. It’s why there are so many neo-Nazis in Ukraine, openly.
Ukraine is not democratic, the democratically elected state was dissolved in 2014. Ukraine is not free, either. I am not spreading misinformation, nor is this Russian propaganda, nor is it bad faith. I’m simply a communist.
To whichever extent a right-wing movement impacts the decisions of a state, this in my opinion does not eliminate the right for that country to remain sovereign. Many countries struggle with pockets of Neo-Nazism.
You’re right about Ukraine’s freedom and democracy, but only because they are being invaded by a hostile nation. They’re unable to hold free elections due to infiltration and manipulation in the very ways that the article this thread was originally discussing referred to.
I’m sorry to say that your pursuit of support of communism has led you down a dark and toxic path—not through your political preference, but through your alignment with bad actors.
Ukraine’s intense problems with corruption and lack of democracy actually stem from the 2014 Banderite coup. The entry of Russia into the Ukrainian Civil War certainly did not help Ukrainian “democracy,” but it was already over in 2014.
As for Ukraine having a right to remain sovereign, it again returns us to the question of Donetsk and Luhansk. Do they also have the right to remain sovereign, or should they be forced to remain in Ukraine, subject to cultural erasure and mass murder by the Kiev state? For Ukraine to retain its sovereignty, it needs to respect the right of the Donetsk and Luhansk to secede, and sue for peace, not drag out a pointless war that only exists for Statesian profits.
As for communism taking me down a “dark path,” I don’t see how opposing fascism and supporting resistance to ethnic cleansing makes me a bad person, especially because I want the quickest end to the bloodshed possible. I’m advocating for peace, which you confuse for a “dark path.”
Please don’t mince my words. I never alluded to your position being somehow supportive of the awful things you mentioned. Neither of us support fascism or ethnic cleansing. I, too, advocate for peace. We disagree in the manner to achieve that.
As for the “dark path,” I believe that I was clear in partitioning that statement, but let me reiterate: I believe that it has led you to take positions (perhaps unfortunately) aligned with those of bad actors.
Why are the people of Donetsk and Luhansk “bad actors,” and the corrupt Banderites sacrificing and kidnappings workers off the streets in Kiev somehow not bad actors?
Isn’t zelenskyy Jewish why is he a Nazi? Also those bullet points do not help his case lmao. Very Orwellian
The current state in Kiev came to power after a neo-Nazi coup in 2014, led by followers in the tradition of Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera. Zelenskyy came to power on a promise to peacefully settle the problem of the seperatist movement in Donestk and Luhansk that grew as a response to said coup, only to double-down on the Ukrainian Civil War.
You’ve repeatedly referenced the Ukrainian Nationalist movement from 1940. Stepan Bandera led a movement against the Soviet Union nearly 80 years ago and he’s been dead for nearly as long.
You’re deliberately misrepresenting the current democratically elected and free nation that is Ukraine today to spread misinformation, amplify Russian propaganda and argue in bad faith.
Of course I know Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera is long dead. The problem is that his ghost haunts the modern Ukrainian government. Modern groups in power in Ukraine draw on heritage to Bandera, along with his fascist ideology. It’s why there are so many neo-Nazis in Ukraine, openly.
Ukraine is not democratic, the democratically elected state was dissolved in 2014. Ukraine is not free, either. I am not spreading misinformation, nor is this Russian propaganda, nor is it bad faith. I’m simply a communist.
To whichever extent a right-wing movement impacts the decisions of a state, this in my opinion does not eliminate the right for that country to remain sovereign. Many countries struggle with pockets of Neo-Nazism.
You’re right about Ukraine’s freedom and democracy, but only because they are being invaded by a hostile nation. They’re unable to hold free elections due to infiltration and manipulation in the very ways that the article this thread was originally discussing referred to.
I’m sorry to say that your pursuit of support of communism has led you down a dark and toxic path—not through your political preference, but through your alignment with bad actors.
Ukraine’s intense problems with corruption and lack of democracy actually stem from the 2014 Banderite coup. The entry of Russia into the Ukrainian Civil War certainly did not help Ukrainian “democracy,” but it was already over in 2014.
As for Ukraine having a right to remain sovereign, it again returns us to the question of Donetsk and Luhansk. Do they also have the right to remain sovereign, or should they be forced to remain in Ukraine, subject to cultural erasure and mass murder by the Kiev state? For Ukraine to retain its sovereignty, it needs to respect the right of the Donetsk and Luhansk to secede, and sue for peace, not drag out a pointless war that only exists for Statesian profits.
As for communism taking me down a “dark path,” I don’t see how opposing fascism and supporting resistance to ethnic cleansing makes me a bad person, especially because I want the quickest end to the bloodshed possible. I’m advocating for peace, which you confuse for a “dark path.”
Please don’t mince my words. I never alluded to your position being somehow supportive of the awful things you mentioned. Neither of us support fascism or ethnic cleansing. I, too, advocate for peace. We disagree in the manner to achieve that.
As for the “dark path,” I believe that I was clear in partitioning that statement, but let me reiterate: I believe that it has led you to take positions (perhaps unfortunately) aligned with those of bad actors.
Let’s be perfectly clear, then:
I cannot argue with you because we disagree on facts.
Other nations have peacefully seceded without a hostile nation needing to liberate them.
That’s why Zelensky just had bodies of Banderites dug up so he could rebury them in Ukraine, with honors.
Exactly!
switched out words to help you see why this argument doesn’t work.
Isn’t Bibi Jewish, why is he a nazi?