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The real friends were the internal dilemmas we made along the way.

Not if we have a nuclear winter first.

A Canticle for Leibowitz is turning out to be prophetic.

All I know is that you’re a deranged troll.

Why would I feed a fascist troll? Not like these topics haven’t been discussed to death already.

you’re a fascist, everybody knows you’re a fascist, at least own up to it and be honest with yourself

Europe is pretty much entirely dependent on US platforms having failed to develop their own the way China and Russia did. There’s no European Yandex or Baidu equivalent, no European Alibaba, and so on.

Everybody needs to read Psychological Warfare in the Strategy of Imperialism. It shows how this stuff evolved since WW2. One of the particularly interesting bits there was the discussion of the whole narrative we see today in the west that western media is unbiased, and it’s just presenting neutral facts. The whole book is absolutely incredible because it lays bare how this sort of propaganda works in practice.

maybe it’s a vacuum lifter :)

I just post this stuff for other people reading the thread, I don’t expect the trolls to actually read it.

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I don’t really care what you think. You’re just an internet troll, I’m merely presenting facts for other people reading this thread who have the mental capacity to read the sources I provide. Seems like the only one who’s angry here is you. Sitting at home, desperately trying to get attention. Sad.

Ah, the intellectual feast is over. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming of sniffing glue and huffing gas.

The only thing that’s delicious here is your dedication to making a clown of yourself in public.

It’s not me not agreeing with your drivel, it’s literally every piece of empirical research showing that you’re spewing utter nonsense.

• Life expectancy decreases by 10 years. 2. 7.7 million excess deaths in the first year. 2
• 40% of population drops into poverty.
• GDP instantly halves.
• One in ten children now live on the streets. Infant mortality increases. Was 29.3 in 2003 which is around (current) Syria and Micronesia, 7.9 in 2013. Infant mortality in USSR was 1.92, literally the lowest in the world.
• 1996 election rigged by the US, Yeltsin sends in tanks to disperse the supreme soviet.
• Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u

• Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible:

• https://web.archive.org/web/20200119044114/https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.8966&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

• https://www.jstor.org/stable/2672986?seq=1

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

• https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

• https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&login=false

Romania, the inustrialization of an agrarian economy under socialist planning

• https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/888851468333915517/pdf/multi0page.pdf

We can also look at how people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?

• A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country’s switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

• The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

• Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

• A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -“during the time of socialism”. The survey focused on the respondents’ views on the transition “from socialism to capitalism”, and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito’s rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as “more or less the same”. 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

• 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said.

Exchange of ideas implies having actual ideas to exchange which you clearly do not.

That’s right I’m sensitive to seeing imbecilic drivel spewed in public.

I grew up in USSR, it worked fine. The real horrors started after the wonders of markets and capitalism were introduced.

I lived under communism and I can definitively tell you that you’re full of shit.