• morkyporky@suppo.fi
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        20 hours ago

        The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.

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            16 hours ago

            You can’t yell on the internet you little bitch. And if you start insulting people don’t be surprised if they insult you back. You little bitch. Give your balls a tug.

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              16 hours ago

              sigh, are you sure you need to be this angry? feel free to hurt yourself with that high blood pressure. seriously chill, you’re the one who began insulting.

              No one is illegal. period… you can do illegal stuff, but illegal is not something you are. Not only because of civil violations/misdemeanor… but because “illegal” isn’t a personal trait.

              If “being” for some people is an illegal act, that is an apartheid dystopian nightmare.

              and yes, I’ll say the United States has immigration apartheid. immigrants have a different set of laws, courts, and punishments for crimes. that’s a form of apartheid.

              If an undocumented is caught speeding, they can get deported, while a citizen just gets a fine.

              other counties are even granting immigrants voting rights, while here they are practically treated as subhuman cheap labor.

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                16 hours ago

                We could always simply change the rules and boom now it is illegal. What’s the argument then lol. Rules are made up so claiming “well it’s not against the rules” is a retarded argument cuz we can simply change the rules. It’s not good to have undocumented people in the country which is why civilized countries don’t allow this

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                14 hours ago

                Is English not your first language or are you just dumb? Being undocumented is illegal. Its just a fact.

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                    13 hours ago

                    I’m actually impressed you can get on the internet with how fucking stupid you are. I’m racist because I said being undocumented is illegal. Makes total sense. I’m starting to feel bad making fun of you, like is it hate crime because you’re so dumb? Do you have a handicap parking pass because otherwise you’d get lost on your way to the store?

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      1 day ago

      It’s like a parking ticket. Is everyone who had a traffic violation now an illegal person?

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        1 day ago

        In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.

        It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.

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          “fail to participate in the legal system”

          Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.

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          20 hours ago

          civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?

          imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.

          civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal

          someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.

          Existing isn’t a crime.

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            16 hours ago

            I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.

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              16 hours ago

              “Being” isnt a crime. again, civil violation doesn’t make you a criminal.

              and it is quite racist to declare immigrants who committed no crimes as “being” illegal.

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          20 hours ago

          Yes, exactly like that. The act is illegal. Not the person. It’s not even a felony for heavens sake.

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              13 hours ago

              Yes, breaking the law is illegal. Do you understand that doesn’t make the person illegal or even a felon?

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                13 hours ago

                I didn’t say anything about a person being illegal or a felon. I said that being undocumented is illegal. Because it is.

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                  11 hours ago

                  Yes and further up the person was talking about how no person is illegal. So why are you even arguing?

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                    10 hours ago

                    I’m not arguing with that statement I was arguing that being undocumented is in fact illegal. As in its against the law. Regardless of how you feel about it.