Boo for the cyber attack but fuck people who drive drunk repeatedly to the point of needing an interlock device. Maybe don’t drink and drive you fucking sack of shit.
“Not learning lessons” is a pretty mild way to put it.
The only way it isn’t pure evil is if we allow that the alcoholic is not in control of their actions. And if we allow that, they cannot be trusted to drive, or really to even have their freedom. They are 5150, plain and simple.
So… Just tell them that it’s illegal for them to drive? Kind of like how we tell them that it’s illegal to drink and drive but they did that anyway? The point of the lock is that it’s for people who are going to ignore the law anyway. Not having a license does not stop somebody from operating a motor vehicle.
You make a good point. I still don’t have an ounce of patience for alcoholics who drive, but I do agree that it creates a mental trap of “you have a perfectly good car right here if you just stop drinking for 24 hours”
Comments sections. Where nuance goes to die. All context is flattened and your views must be expressed as black or white lest you get branded as having the wrong opinion.
I don’t think alcoholics should be allowed to drive, is that too much to ask?
Driving is a privilege, not a right, and the roads are already dangerous enough as they are.
I understand the dynamics in the US are what they are regarding cars and the lack of public transportation or bicycle infrastructure, but I don’t believe the avoidable deaths are a worthy trade off. Change needs to start somewhere, and excusing the deaths for some artificially created issue is not acceptable.
Driving under the influence is a ban able offence (reckless endangerment) in most countries.
So is a proper driver’s ed before giving even a learner’s permit. US loves giving a multi ton killing machine to untrained people with impulse control. And teenagers
I agree with you, but the difference is that, in the US, people NEED to be able to drive to function in society. That’s why the bar has to be so low to get a license.
Of course better transit is a better solution, but at least while America is waiting for that, ride-hailing services can help fill a gap. Expensive? I have little sympathy for people who drove drunk on that count.
I can think of plenty, just oh shit we have to get to the hospital please take us to the hospital with a legitimate oh shit we have to get to the hospital tends to override most traffic bullshits. Making the judgment of whether something is a legitimate oh shit we need to get to the hospital is why we have EMTs but like, if the Friday night shift knows you have emergencies when you eat buttered popcorn and there’s a new bee movie out they might just expect you to drive yourself (or rather, have a trusted friend and swearing team buddy) because you’re half expecting a damn emergency at the bee movie and you’ve had twelve too many, they know which roads to keep clear of toddlers and the elderly. Damn bees.
i’m shopping the script to paramount. she loses her bee husband in a drunk driving accident and doesn’t know how to handle the steady swarm of bee courting.
If it’s Paramount, you’ll need a MAGA angle, like the drunk driver was a Trans school shooter running from the scene after murdering a class of special needs kids.
i figured at paramount the drunk driving accident would sell well, since we’re having it be a “look how cool it is to drive drunk” thing. she was at the wheel and murdered her beesband for fun.
Fun fact: In the US you can get a DUI for sleeping it off in your car, a passenger drinking while you drive (open container laws), or failing a bullshit coordination test graded by a racist cop without them ever checking your blood alcohol.
I am fully against drinking and driving, but there is definitely some bullshit out there like getting locked up for sleeping it off in your car. I’ve read plenty of stories about people getting arrested for merely approaching their car while drunk, and that shit gets me paranoid. I live in a place where I park on a busy street, and there have been times that I am having some drinks at home and I’m like “shit I gotta go get this thing from my car”. The fact that I can get arrested while going to get my backpack or whatever from my car because I have keys in my pocket and therefore have “intent to operate a vehicle under in influence” doesn’t sit well with me. Go find actual drunk drivers. I swear half the shit cops do is making up crimes because they can’t meet their quotas.
What kind of emergency is more important than the lives of people that might be killed by a drunk driver’s mistake? And how is it impossible to find an alternative solution?
honestly, any emergency that involves hitting you and yours. that’s because i don’t feel like remembering them. i’ve been the car that the police pulls over because it’s driving erratically and then takes over driving. it’s an abstract concept to you. not to me.
Boo for the cyber attack but fuck people who drive drunk repeatedly to the point of needing an interlock device. Maybe don’t drink and drive you fucking sack of shit.
Not-so hot take: the underlying issue is lack of public transportation.
Never knew anyone who had one, but a friend of mine dated a guy who did. He would beg her to breathe into it for him.
That’s insane but as an alcoholic I can absolutely see someone doing it.
Some are social butterflies who have to be out and about but talk about not learning lessons.
“Not learning lessons” is a pretty mild way to put it.
The only way it isn’t pure evil is if we allow that the alcoholic is not in control of their actions. And if we allow that, they cannot be trusted to drive, or really to even have their freedom. They are 5150, plain and simple.
They’re in control but reaching them is something best done by people like them in my experience.
Logic only goes so far, clearly.
Fuck the lock, ban them from driving. Inexcusable.
So… Just tell them that it’s illegal for them to drive? Kind of like how we tell them that it’s illegal to drink and drive but they did that anyway? The point of the lock is that it’s for people who are going to ignore the law anyway. Not having a license does not stop somebody from operating a motor vehicle.
You make a good point. I still don’t have an ounce of patience for alcoholics who drive, but I do agree that it creates a mental trap of “you have a perfectly good car right here if you just stop drinking for 24 hours”
Comments sections. Where nuance goes to die. All context is flattened and your views must be expressed as black or white lest you get branded as having the wrong opinion.
I don’t think alcoholics should be allowed to drive, is that too much to ask?
Driving is a privilege, not a right, and the roads are already dangerous enough as they are.
I understand the dynamics in the US are what they are regarding cars and the lack of public transportation or bicycle infrastructure, but I don’t believe the avoidable deaths are a worthy trade off. Change needs to start somewhere, and excusing the deaths for some artificially created issue is not acceptable.
Amen, Lemmy is in the starting stages of how reddit went my brother. It’s inherent to the format
Driving under the influence is a ban able offence (reckless endangerment) in most countries.
So is a proper driver’s ed before giving even a learner’s permit. US loves giving a multi ton killing machine to untrained people with impulse control. And teenagers
I agree with you, but the difference is that, in the US, people NEED to be able to drive to function in society. That’s why the bar has to be so low to get a license.
I’m sure the lives lost were worth it so that alcoholics and irresponsible people can keep functioning in society. /s
It isn’t. Public transit is great. When will it be discovered in America? Who knows.
Perfect solution. Really needs public transit or walkable cities to work so win-win.
Of course better transit is a better solution, but at least while America is waiting for that, ride-hailing services can help fill a gap. Expensive? I have little sympathy for people who drove drunk on that count.
you only need to get caught once for the lock
It’s a shame that it’s only when they get caught. There’s no excuse for driving drunk.
I can think of plenty, just oh shit we have to get to the hospital please take us to the hospital with a legitimate oh shit we have to get to the hospital tends to override most traffic bullshits. Making the judgment of whether something is a legitimate oh shit we need to get to the hospital is why we have EMTs but like, if the Friday night shift knows you have emergencies when you eat buttered popcorn and there’s a new bee movie out they might just expect you to drive yourself (or rather, have a trusted friend and swearing team buddy) because you’re half expecting a damn emergency at the bee movie and you’ve had twelve too many, they know which roads to keep clear of toddlers and the elderly. Damn bees.
There’s a new Bee movie?
i’m shopping the script to paramount. she loses her bee husband in a drunk driving accident and doesn’t know how to handle the steady swarm of bee courting.
If it’s Paramount, you’ll need a MAGA angle, like the drunk driver was a Trans school shooter running from the scene after murdering a class of special needs kids.
For starters.
i figured at paramount the drunk driving accident would sell well, since we’re having it be a “look how cool it is to drive drunk” thing. she was at the wheel and murdered her beesband for fun.
I know someone that did it once and having to have one of these as a result. Suggest you reset your opinions a bit.
You mean he got caught once.
“I know someone who only did a murder once and they locked them right up. Suggest you reset your opinions a bit.”
Replace murder with any crime.
If you don’t want to face the consequences, don’t do the action that begets the consequences.
TLDR: don’t fuck around if you don’t wanna find out.
Fun fact: In the US you can get a DUI for sleeping it off in your car, a passenger drinking while you drive (open container laws), or failing a bullshit coordination test graded by a racist cop without them ever checking your blood alcohol.
I am fully against drinking and driving, but there is definitely some bullshit out there like getting locked up for sleeping it off in your car. I’ve read plenty of stories about people getting arrested for merely approaching their car while drunk, and that shit gets me paranoid. I live in a place where I park on a busy street, and there have been times that I am having some drinks at home and I’m like “shit I gotta go get this thing from my car”. The fact that I can get arrested while going to get my backpack or whatever from my car because I have keys in my pocket and therefore have “intent to operate a vehicle under in influence” doesn’t sit well with me. Go find actual drunk drivers. I swear half the shit cops do is making up crimes because they can’t meet their quotas.
Also a fun fact: you could also just not drink and drive or allow others to drink in your car.
Nice straw man. Murder != drunk driving.
Killing someone with your car = murder Fuck drink drivers!
Interlock devices are the bare minimum if you insist on allowing people who have proven they will drive drunk to continue to drive.
I was arguing with the point of “repeatedly” being a determining factor for having to have this device. It’s not reality, once is enough.
Yes, once is enough. Repeatedly should get you banned from driving.
When you consider that most people get away with a crime dozens of times at least before getting caught, then yes being caught once is enough.
sure its not the same, but it gets really close, really fast
Nope, shouldn’t of done it once. Pretty easy to not drink and drive.
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I too have never had a time sensitive emergency
What kind of emergency is more important than the lives of people that might be killed by a drunk driver’s mistake? And how is it impossible to find an alternative solution?
Where do you guys live? Is it America? Because I kinda feel like in America I’m never surprised that someone drove drunk.
(Especially before Uber.)
What emergency is so time sensitive it’s worth killing yourself and a random family for?
The fact that you can’t actually think of an emergency is telling.
Still didn’t name an emergency worth killing yourself and a random family over
honestly, any emergency that involves hitting you and yours. that’s because i don’t feel like remembering them. i’ve been the car that the police pulls over because it’s driving erratically and then takes over driving. it’s an abstract concept to you. not to me.
Were you drunk or just driving erratically because you were in an emergency?
Also, still didn’t name an emergency worth killing yourself and a random family over
Having a breathalyzer is letting them off easy, they deserve to lose their license
They lost their license for 2 years. The equipment was required to get it back.
Okay? Seems reasonable, why should I reset my opinion?