Isn’t it odd that you can be fired immediately for any reason (in America, anyway) with disastrous financial consequences; but if you don’t give a two-week notice you risk not getting recommended for future jobs?
Many states are right to work, meaning that you can quit anytime. Unless you have stuff in a contract requiring notice, quitting without notice does not have legal repercussions. If you’re rage quitting a job, no sane person would use them as a reference. Finally, the bridges we burn light the path forward.
That’s why you try to line up the new job before you quit - they can’t talk shit about you quitting on short notice if you’re still there.
I actually tried to give two weeks at my old job - they didn’t deserve it, but I figured I should. The application for my new job even had a checkbox labeled “I am currently employed and will need two weeks notice of my first shift.”
Instead, they called me on a monday and asked “can you start next monday?”
…My boss wasn’t in that day, and I really wanted a weekend before starting my new job; so on Tuesday, they found out that Friday was my last day.
I dont think I know a single person who doesn’t just put their friend/co-workers down as “supervisors or managers” and use them as a reference.
And I know people will say “thats fraud,” but if you dont realise every business/corporation is committing white collar crimes, fraud, cheating the system, using tax loopholes, etc on a daily basis, I have a bridge to sell you.
I’ve never left a job thinking my direct manager would be a usable reference. Either they are the one who laid me off, or they are mad about having to replace me. Either way I’m not giving their number to anyone, so who cares if I make them more mad leaving without notice.
In the hypothetical universe where I leave a job with a healthy environment on good terms, I would give two weeks independent of the recommendation anyway.
That’s a perfectly reasonable viewpoint to hold, though sadly from a pragmatic perspective all it does is maintains the power imbalance between employers and employees. I’d love to live in a world where I don’t have to commit fraud in order to get a decent job but, for as long as I do, I probably will.
It’s not about references, it’s about when the prospective employer calls your former one and asks if you’re eligible for rehire.
I basically quit a retail job on the spot, because they took your 2 week notice effective immediately, and was wondering why I couldn’t find another until the hiring manager from the same store in another state told me I was marked ineligible for rehire. Once I stopped listing them I found a job easily.
The one blemish on my resume is a job I stayed at for a month. I was hired for one job but was told I had to start on a lower job just to get the swing of things. Fine enough. When I started in the position I was hired for, another person in the “entry” job confronted the supervisor about his promises to do the job I was hired for. On another occasion, the big boss (wasn’t a very large business. Most of the higher ups were family) comes in and says “Due to the high amount of samples, we need to work Saturday. I’ll start with volunteers” I took that as (and my coworkers verified) "If nobody volunteers, I’m going to start forcing. " I ended up leaving after one month, no notice. When I left, the supervisor told me he had hoped to put me in another position they were making. Nope. Didn’t work for me. I had left a note saying it was pretty messed up that the coworkers were lied to. Best thing I did. Went to another business for a year and left under more amicable circumstances. Now I’m happy in a job where I’ve been for the past 11 years.
i don’t leave a job expecting a recommendation for another. so yeah. i give as much notice as i feel would be helpful to my peers. if ive been talking openly about leaving then they already know where my docs and such are.
WARN only kicks in at a 100 people or more laid off, and it only gives you 60 days notice, not any extra pay or benefits.
Its basically the least they can do, and the 100 person threshold gives lots of orgs plently of room to skirt it by doing small, and steady layoffs instead.
It also has to be enforced. Musk laid off thousands of people at Twitter and didnt follow WARN, just paid them 60 days instead. He was sued by individual people, but didnt suffer any penalty for breaking the law itself.
Isn’t it odd that you can be fired immediately for any reason (in America, anyway) with disastrous financial consequences; but if you don’t give a two-week notice you risk not getting recommended for future jobs?
Many states are right to work, meaning that you can quit anytime. Unless you have stuff in a contract requiring notice, quitting without notice does not have legal repercussions. If you’re rage quitting a job, no sane person would use them as a reference. Finally, the bridges we burn light the path forward.
This is why we need more unions.
That’s why you try to line up the new job before you quit - they can’t talk shit about you quitting on short notice if you’re still there.
I actually tried to give two weeks at my old job - they didn’t deserve it, but I figured I should. The application for my new job even had a checkbox labeled “I am currently employed and will need two weeks notice of my first shift.”
Instead, they called me on a monday and asked “can you start next monday?”
…My boss wasn’t in that day, and I really wanted a weekend before starting my new job; so on Tuesday, they found out that Friday was my last day.
I plan to go into work wearing nothing but my work boots. I don’t think the two weeks notice will be required
I dont think I know a single person who doesn’t just put their friend/co-workers down as “supervisors or managers” and use them as a reference.
And I know people will say “thats fraud,” but if you dont realise every business/corporation is committing white collar crimes, fraud, cheating the system, using tax loopholes, etc on a daily basis, I have a bridge to sell you.
I’ve never left a job thinking my direct manager would be a usable reference. Either they are the one who laid me off, or they are mad about having to replace me. Either way I’m not giving their number to anyone, so who cares if I make them more mad leaving without notice.
In the hypothetical universe where I leave a job with a healthy environment on good terms, I would give two weeks independent of the recommendation anyway.
What if your logic is “yes I know THEY commit fraud regularly, but that doesn’t mean I have to.”?
That’s a perfectly reasonable viewpoint to hold, though sadly from a pragmatic perspective all it does is maintains the power imbalance between employers and employees. I’d love to live in a world where I don’t have to commit fraud in order to get a decent job but, for as long as I do, I probably will.
It’s not about references, it’s about when the prospective employer calls your former one and asks if you’re eligible for rehire.
I basically quit a retail job on the spot, because they took your 2 week notice effective immediately, and was wondering why I couldn’t find another until the hiring manager from the same store in another state told me I was marked ineligible for rehire. Once I stopped listing them I found a job easily.
The one blemish on my resume is a job I stayed at for a month. I was hired for one job but was told I had to start on a lower job just to get the swing of things. Fine enough. When I started in the position I was hired for, another person in the “entry” job confronted the supervisor about his promises to do the job I was hired for. On another occasion, the big boss (wasn’t a very large business. Most of the higher ups were family) comes in and says “Due to the high amount of samples, we need to work Saturday. I’ll start with volunteers” I took that as (and my coworkers verified) "If nobody volunteers, I’m going to start forcing. " I ended up leaving after one month, no notice. When I left, the supervisor told me he had hoped to put me in another position they were making. Nope. Didn’t work for me. I had left a note saying it was pretty messed up that the coworkers were lied to. Best thing I did. Went to another business for a year and left under more amicable circumstances. Now I’m happy in a job where I’ve been for the past 11 years.
i don’t leave a job expecting a recommendation for another. so yeah. i give as much notice as i feel would be helpful to my peers. if ive been talking openly about leaving then they already know where my docs and such are.
You can both end your employment immediately, and just like it’s nice of you to give notice it’s also nice of them to give severance pay
I imagine the majority of employees are not getting any kind of severance.
And severance pay and notice of layoffs are de facto fairly common in corporate America.
Notice of layoffs and layoff severance are required by WARN act. It’s not just a defacto thing, it was a hard fought victory for labor rights
WARN only kicks in at a 100 people or more laid off, and it only gives you 60 days notice, not any extra pay or benefits.
Its basically the least they can do, and the 100 person threshold gives lots of orgs plently of room to skirt it by doing small, and steady layoffs instead.
It also has to be enforced. Musk laid off thousands of people at Twitter and didnt follow WARN, just paid them 60 days instead. He was sued by individual people, but didnt suffer any penalty for breaking the law itself.