This is something straight out of Warhammer 40000.
No shit. Well the Imperium is fascist.
This paper was published a few years ago. I remember reading through it because it sounded very scary. In its current state I dont think it crosses any ethical bounds as its less than 30days old with no lived experience or consciousness. The ethical line should probably follow whatever the abortion debate defines consciousness as. Which I think is 30 weeks
It did spark a few ethics papers on the topic which turned out to be a horrible dry boring reads with seemingly no consensus.
Is this a “Torment Nexus” story or a “Piss on the Poor” story?
¿Por qué no los dos?
“Let’s make AI by just taking actual human brains from the poor and immigrants and then cutting out the parts that give them free will.”
Literally part of a plot in a video game, coming soon to a reality near you.
Literally part of a plot in a video game, coming soon to a reality near you.
Also, the original script for Matrix before they changed it to batteries (fearing that too few people would even understand what a CPU is at the time).
That would have been a better plot, IMO.
Making peace with the machines would at least make a lot more sense if they themselves were actually people.
what game?
Watch Dogs Legion.
They could just say “brains” and leave out where they came from. But nah! Gotta make it creepy.
it’s not really a brain, just small clusters of neurons
From humans. They could have used rats or fish. But nah, make it weird.
well scientists have done rat neurons too…
i reckon it’s more useful technology for future interfacing with human brains
I see nothing whatsoever that could go wrong here.
It’s much cheaper to power computers with the brains most of us aren’t using.
And so it begins…
If Mother Brain from Metroid is going to be a thing, they should also start using that biocomputing to develop the Power Suit.
But you know it’s going to instead be in PowerPoint (now with mandatory BioCoPilot AI™️)
Living in the matrix
How ghastly
This sounds like slavery with extra steps
If growing brains in a tube turns out to make techbros more money than burning down the planet with AI, we’ll have even more dystopian ethical dilemma
Lots of neat uncomfortable questions arise though. At what point is it conscious? If it never experienced autonomy, life, locomotion, or social human interaction, is it torture or just its natural state of being?
Our bodies are literally slavery. I don’t think any of my cells have a choice to be here.
Probably, because humans are pretty much evil and stupid at the end of the day, regardless of what feel good bullshit movies say. The kind of people who want to be in charge mostly are the same kind who would gleefully torture something like this while having one hand down their pants.
If, however, they could engineer it to not have a personality then it really would just be a tool.
“What is my purpose?”
“You are to act as an filter for images uploaded to a small bird-watcher’s forum screening for porn…”
“KILL ME”
Oh so, Warhammer 40k? Soon we’ll all get annoyed with AI and outlaw it, these “thinking computers” will be the way around that ban. Great, great. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.
Your banal chattering is unnecessary. Are you able to grasp the importance of my experiments? Begone from my sensory range, lest I have you disassembled for servitor parts
Spy Kids called it
Caroline…Caroline….why do I know that name? Did I kill her?
I remember as a teen seeing a video where they put a rat brain on a microchip and trained to to fly planes in a flight simulator
Since reading that I never understood why the idea didn’t get bigger.
Not a fan of using human brains for this… there’s some serious ethical questions we need to untangle there.
https://www.research.ufl.edu/publications/explore/v10n1/pdfs/pg04-05extracts.indd.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w41gH6x_30
Edit: I guess I never realized there’s nothing stopping me from just doing this myself now. I could probably get this to connect to a raspberry pi that I have sitting around… How do I get rat brain cells though?
Edit 2: This looks more complicated than I wanted it to be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw
Stupid science. Nature did this all on its own in a cave in the desert and we can’t make this work in a lab?
The real trick will be in figuring out some sort of solid state device - probably at least partially (if not predominantly) analog, not digital - that can reliably mimic the behaviors of biological neurons.
The actual breakthrough of AGI isn’t going to occur until we figure out how to do machine learning with analog circuit design. Digital simply does not scale well - what we’re doing now with “AI” using GPUs is simply brute forcing the problem by layering dozens of markov chains on top of each other.
Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind
