• Gladaed@feddit.org
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      Also Leviticus is old testament. So this is less relevant/generally superceded by newer text.

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        Only for Christians. I would assume this still holds for Jewish people, as well as some christians who still holds to the Old Testament due to Jesus saying that the old text will not be superceded.

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      The thing that bothers me with that explanation, is that if “where the Torah is concerned, every word counts” than why didn’t they use the word ‘boy’ instead of the more ambiguous ‘male’? Seems an intentional choice to refer to men and boys together.

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          No, you are correct.

          If it meant men, it would use the same word twice (like the mediocre translation above). It specifically uses a different word to indicate a different meaning. איש at the beginning of the verse, and זכר in the second part of the verse.

          Legitimate scholars all agree that this is not referring to the type of gay relationships that generally exist today. They disagree only with the exact meaning that was intended.

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          No, I’d have expected them to say ילד if they only wanted to mean man with boy and not man with any form of male.

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            The word ילד would be insufficient. It does not include נער, or עלם, which would be the more likely scenario (not to mention עול, which would be unthinkable). זכר is the more obvious choice.

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            You really are missing the forrest by staring at trees.

            The key context between ish zachar and yéled is that an ish is of mental and sexual maturity, an zachar is of sexual maturity and a yélid is neither.

            So if a zachar is off limits for being too immature it’s implied so is an yélid.

            If you don’t understand the context of that I can’t help you.

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              Okay let me get this straight for my own understanding:

              In South Park, the Vatikans said “the bible states it’s not forbidden to fuck young boys” and the original Hebrew wording literally states that this is forbidden.

              As in: “stoned shall not be the gay, but the one that gropes children”?

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                You realize SP is satire right?

                Yes the original wording explicitly forbids adult men from fucking males that have not themselves reached full adulthood

                The wording roughly would be man should not fuck adolescent male it is abhorrent

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    Iirc Oregon or Colorado legalized pot and gay marriage at virtually the same time. I remember the memes of a freaked out preacher yelling “NO NOT LIKE THAT!!” lol. Good times.