Turned off by default in EEA, UK, Japan and Switzerland, for anyone interested (had to login to find out).
Anyone wondering what they have in common: EU (i know its not the same as EEA, there are countries like Iceland non-member of EU but part of EEA and they have their own GDPR through their own Private Act) has GDPR, Japan has APPI, UK has UK-GDPR, Switzerland has FADP
Whats intriguing is that Canada has DCIA and Brazil has LGPD and I don’t see it being mentioned to be turned off by default in either countries
buy a computer
put my data in there
computer computes my data too muchFUCK
Gemini has popped up pnce since it became a thing. I simply clicked no and it’s gone away. So hopefully it stays away.
Unfortunately not. That’s like saying “A burglar put a spycam in my house once. I simply said no and he removed it. So hopefully it stays that way”. It’s there, you just can’t see it now.
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buy domain
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use thunderbird
Would having aliases be a good way to bypass when a website denies your emails from your domain (which is known occurrence for who self-hosts their own email system)?
I run my own email and I have to say I wouldn’t recommend it.
The biggest hassle is dealing with either Spamhaus or Microsoft, who apparently at random decide to put my IPs on blacklist, and who provide hurdles to working around this (for Spamhaus) or just say “no” (for Microsoft).
Your new dentist/GP practice when you try to sign up?
@ Thunderbird? What is that?
Mega brain move right here. Combined with a multitude of open source web mail clients and ur golden. SOGo and roundcube my beloved.
solid recommendations roundcube is goat
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Most email is short. I don’t see a need to summarize it. Google is run by idiots and assholes.
I put a tl;dr sentence or two at the top of any e-mail more than a couple of paragraphs. Sometimes for those too.
Ai will write complicated long mails, you’ll need an Ai to summarise it
If an email needs to be summarized, I’m not going to read it anyway.
ive actually used it at work for stuff like “when did Wendy approve the design? did she send it to brian?” when I have 5 different email threads over 3 different organizations, with 10 different respondees. But in personal use I would never.
If mine could do that “find me the approval email for x last week” I’d use it, but if outlook had a decent search I wouldn’t need it.
I’d settle for AI clipping out everyone’s redundant signatures, .gif logos, comic sans bible quotes, and everything else packed into email that people use as direct messaging. Or my coworkers could just use WebEx for chats instead of emails.
You go ahead and waste resources on summarizing the 200 emails a day in my spam account, you fucking morons.
I agree fuck Google but also poor earth :(
A single message now generates 20 different summaries and analyses, requiring a rack of GPUs and a diesel generator.
We’re so lucky that electricity is unlimited and free, otherwise it might’ve caused a serious problem.
Don’t worry, this stuff is why companies like Google want to build and run their own nuclear power plants. What could possibly go wrong?
Cool, how do I disable this shit feature?
Stop using the shit service.
So this is why I got an email that was completely wrong.
I told a guy I used to work for that I moved and it’s the perfect place to help him and his company.
He replied that he hopes I found a house where I used to live.
wtf it’s like he never read the email at all, now that this AI trash was added, the email makes sense.
I guess he is fucked and doesn’t get the help he needs for his company.
Ok this is the first step where I feel an actual urge to look for Gmail alternatives. (Been a Gmail user since like 2007.) I’m a desktop-only Gmail user, but I can see where this is going… :/ Also heavy user of Google Drive and Sheets, so it’s going to be annoying if I have to replace all of them :/
For me it was: Gmail to Tuta, Drive to Filen.io (some cheap German guys). But Sheets would be the most difficult. Maybe Zoho or Infomaniak? Infomaniak has the complete package IIRC.
thanks, I’ll check them out!
How the hell can they even afford that?! There are so many Gmail users and so many emails a second and Gemini will summarize them all? That sounds so expensive and like a waste of resources
It is, but the bubble mustn’t burst or the grifters will stop making money selling “the end of skilled labor” to braindead capitalists.
Actually, investment in AI is necessary for competing with other nations.
The “end of skilled labor” selling point is just to cover up that fact that we need AI because other nations will have it.
Countries are modern-day fiefs.
Alright, let’s tear this idea apart in plain, no-BS language. The whole “we gotta invest in AI to keep up with other nations” argument is like saying you need the flashiest new phone just because your neighbor got one—even if your old phone still works perfectly fine. Sure, some countries are all-in on AI like it’s the latest craze, but that doesn’t mean we have to jump on the bandwagon and mess up our lives.
The whole “end of skilled labor” hype is really just a cover-up. People have been doing amazing work with their hands and brains for ages—long before AI even existed. And let’s talk downsides: more people losing jobs, a privacy mess, and decisions being made by glitchy algorithms that might not give a damn about real-life problems. We didn’t need AI to build everything we have today. We’ve been doing just fine without handing over our lives to a bunch of computer code.
So, if you’re buying into the “we need AI to keep up with the cool kids on the global stage” nonsense, you’re ignoring the fact that the smart move might just be hanging on to good old human skill. Instead of racing into an AI-fueled chaos, maybe we should just keep doing what we do best—using our brains and common sense.
Google makes a lot of money, and summarising stuff uses a surprisingly small amount of energy. You can do it trivially on-device on a laptop and on plenty of phones.
When it comes to LLMs, training the models is generally the thing that requires ridiculous amounts of energy.
This is dumb as fuck, though. I don’t want Google’s LLM to miss out critical details in my emails. That shit could be important. If people want this they should opt in.
They probably use a smaller model for summarizing.
Would opting out actually do anything except keep you from using the feature? Pretty certainly they will still let the ai read your emails if there is any benefit to google in it, but you just wont be seeing the summary.
If you read the article, it says this only applies to people that already have premium google office stuff already. The 90% of people with regular gmail accounts aren’t affected by this. For now at least.
Well, let’s break it down with a little humor and a nod to the inevitable AI email overlords!
Sure, the article points out that the premium Google Workspace users get a special treatment—like being offered champagne instead of soda—but if you’re part of the 90% rolling with regular Gmail, you’re still enjoying your familiar, free soda pop (for now). However, don’t get too comfortable: whether you’re sipping premium champagne or pop, Google’s AI is always lurking in the background, ready to “swallow” your emails and extract insights like a digital detective. In other words, even if you’re not part of the fancy club, your emails are still part of the grand data buffet.
So while the article might claim it’s all rainbows and free soda for most, the truth is that Google is perfecting their AI trick regardless of your account type. It’s like distinguishing between first-class and economy on a flight—different levels of service, but everyone’s still on the same plane, and the in-flight entertainment (that is, AI data crunching) is serving up free snacks to all!
Why would you use Gmail in the first place?
I have been moving away from all of the big name companies for big name products.
It’s a shame, because I used to be very supportive of Google.
Ex-Google fan boy here. Been riding the fuck Google wagon for about 7 years now, no regrets, and certain I’m missing out on absolutely nothing. Moving away from all these self-serving BS “tech giants” is the smartest and healthiest move anyone can do.
Do any other email services/clients have a very similar search function? Where I can search for date ranges and email sizes in addition to the more typical operators.
At my workplace I have to deal with Outlook, and it’s a pile of crap in comparison.
Use Thunderbird as a client with any email service. Thunderbird has all the features you want.
Thanks, actually I was already using it for backing up my Gmail inbox, so now I looked at its search features, and found the Expression (Power) Message/Calendar Search - NG addon that provides Gmail-like filtering :)
I have a Google account at work with the domain name of the company. The AI is annoying and I wished they used something else.
Why is it never the other way around? I’m sick of EULA updates silently enrolling me into things i never asked for
As Louis Rossmann likes to say, this is a rapist mentality.
Ask for forgiveness instead of permission.
They are asking for legal trouble anyway, at least in Europe
And we’ll just watch them either get slapped by an insignificant fine, or watch them weasel their way out of this again, by claiming they made you agree to some perpetual abandonment of rights, like they always do
Or pay a fine of half a billion or so, but only 15 years later
it says you need to have smart features on for this to work. I went looking for how to turn it off, but aparently in the EU, UK, Japan and others it’s off by default
It’s part of the abuse.
Plus the options are frequently hidden and unclear.
I thought disabling One Drive on my Windows machine would keep it from syncing to the cloud. Nope, it just changed where the files were stored but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn’t running.
In the case of google, I assume that turning off the Gemini bullshit doesn’t have any impact on it copying all the content to their servers even if you don’t see it happening.
but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn’t running.
I don’t understand why users and our justice system let them get away with this. This is malicious. Your operating system is literally literally malware. It does not respect your choices and it steals your information.
That’s just untrue though, onedrive doesn’t work like that. I’m not saying Microsoft doesnt steal data either, but onedrive isn’t required for that. In fact it can suck so hard it won’t sync shit while running.
Defender can literally submit anything it wants to Microsoft by default and doesn’t hide it.
It absolutely does work like that.
to shove it in people’s faces who would never go out of their way to turn it on. probably like 99% of people.
Maybe the even more important question: Why can you even opt out? Why is this not done on-device, without anything going anywhere to begin with?
I mean, I know the answer, you know the answer, everyone knows the answer. If this was truly privacy preserving, there would be no need to opt out.
That’s ok :) All my important mails go to proton
The only thing I use my Google Account for is my TV. I haven’t logged into my gmail in years. And even that is a stretch. I use Jellyfin, and a sideloaded youtube client that doesn’t send anything back to Googs.
Where are you? From your comment, I’m sure you live in my house 🤣
The Proton owner is Trump-y. Tuta is another option
Show us the evidence of this claim about “Proton owner”. And yes, Tuta is great, I agree on that.
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’m sick of one clueless idiot posting something and then a whole crowd of brainless followers jumping on the bandwagon just to smear someone’s name (like what’s happening with Proton and Andy Chen, for example).
Honestly, I couldn’t care less if Andy was Trump’s biggest fan. Proton’s track record on privacy is rock solid. I spent two years digging into Tuta, Proton, disroot, and a bunch of others until I finally settled on Proton for my family—and I’ve never looked back. My wife, who used to throw money at Google like it was cash to burn, finally got an email service she could actually trust. That’s what matters here.
Now, I get it—Proton’s not perfect, and yeah, they’re a business with their own quirks and maybe some shady stuff waiting to surface. But we need to stop blindly following one crappy post without doing our own homework.
And sure, I hate a lot about Trump (not to mention Musk, who I honestly think is even worse), but let’s be real: the alternative of having Kamala Harris at the helm could’ve been a total nightmare. When I imagine her running the world’s most powerful economy and military, I’m picturing a hot mess that would plunge everyone into chaos. You think you’re safe from one disastrous trainwreck, only to replace it with an even bigger one!
Trump is pure asshole material, and you could probably say that about 90% of his cabinet and most Republicans too. So yeah, if you just skim the last bit, you might think I’m a Trump supporter. But if you read the whole thing, you’ll see I’m simply saying that, given the choices, staying on this crazy rollercoaster was the lesser of two evils. We need to weigh the bigger picture rather than jump on every outrage train without doing any actual research.
It was a really stupidly worded comment on his part. If he meant Big Tech and Little Tech spwcifically rather than Big Business in general and individual people, his choice of words and the claim that the tables had “completely turned” are really unfortunate. Tagging the annoying orange directly also doesn’t help make this look like it’s about the pick, rather than the picker.
As an aside, forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm until I see her actually pull something through and not just end up another way to cripple ElMo’s competition.
I can’t go changing my email every time a ceo flips a switch and goes crazy. Your all gonna have to find something better than ‘just try this other one’
Get your own domain and use it for mail routing to whichever email service of your choice. Afaik gmail offers this, and so does probably any other decent email provider. That way if a provider turns to shit, you just need to set up with a different one, but don’t have to change any accounts.
Downside: you will have to pay for that domain for the rest of your life (or change all accounts again)
I’ve been meaning to do this for a while, maybe I’ll finally do it now.
This is the route I took, and at 10 dollars per year or so to maintain a domain, this is a very cheap way to remove some of the hold big tech has over our lives.
You can have Google forward your emails while you move over your accounts
Btw (sort of just thinking out loud) could paying for an email domain be a solution? I see many webhosts offering email + domain packages for like 1-3 GBP/month, and we could just download the emails into, say, Thunderbird, so if a company turns shit, we still have the domain and all the emails received/sent over the years.
Ive actually been thinking about doing something like this. Im tired of being forced to rely on some company’s computer
Good luck getting people to pay for their own email setups let alone learn what it takes to host themselves and move said hosted setup around as the hosting service ceo’s flip scripts.
Self hosting then
Totally doable, but also risky and convoluted as hell.
Evidence?
We should also be boycotting businesses that support establishment democrats.
