And people pay 80k plus for those. It’s ridiculous. I can’t imagine just throwing away thousands a year on gas, maintenance, insurance, truck nuts etc. all while renting an apartment.
Public transport is for commies, and electric vehicles are gay.
Gay as a fox!
I had a girlfriend and we got along well. She was really into cars, but it’s not something that really comes up often, so it’s kinda just whatever. Out of the blue she told me that whenever she parks next to an ev and the owner is there too, she revs up the engine really high, so they know what’s up.
I looked at her for a long time and legitimately didn’t know what to say, and all i could think off was: “but why?” And she said something like: “so they know what they are missing out” i told her that they either think you are mentally unwell or can’t drive a car.
I totally agree with the “but why?” sentiment. One of the reasons I got an EV is precisely to avoid the engine sound.
Even if you’re into loud cars, a 4 cylinder turbo engine hitting something like 6k rpm is nothing impressive…
Which makes you a gay commie if you ride on one of those electric trams. Makes a man want to just… curl up and die… maybe curl up in a comfortable place, next to his extremely straight friend. Maybe he wraps his arms around you, not too tight, just enough. Maybe he leans in and whispers in your ear, that it’s going to be ok. Your nice and safe in your extremely straight friend’s large, muscular arms. The tender kiss is a surprise, but a welcome one. It takes you away to a land without worry. Where the only two people that exist are you, enveloped in his embrace. Just thinking about the electric tram makes you so angry, and his loving arms wipe it away as they tear away your clothes in an extremely straight and macho way. There’s nothing gay about a little blowjob, you tell yourself, as you ta-
I’m sorry were we talking about robot Teslas?
Now you make me want to go to ride electric tram.
Rivians sell pretty well from what I hear.
Wish they’d sell them in Australia.
Rivians are uggo and too big. I’ll have a nice, sensible (electric) hatchback or sedan, please.
Shorter in length than any sedan I’ve owned. 10ish inches wider though.
E.g.?
Currently my 2013 impala is longer than a r2. The 02 and 08 malibus i had were similar in length.
Fair enough. Yeah, the R2 isn’t crrrazy long. But it is very tall and quite wide.
Rivian R2 is a reasonable size.
Source: on the waiting list
You do you, boo. I drive it and it was just right for me, even in the streets of downtown Chicago.
It’s not tiny, no, but it’s hardly a monster truck. Personally I prefer a hatchback, too, but I don’t think he’s fucking nuts for calling it reasonably sized.
But I’m from the south and everything looks reasonably sized when you see fucking Chevy Tahoes and F350s all day so maybe my fuckin brain is just fried.
F350s and F150s are too tall to fit in a lot of car parks in my country. That kind of vehicle essentially does not exist here, and I do think it skews the brain. But also, trucks and SUVs are different segments. A Rivian also isn’t a van or HGV, but that doesn’t make it “reasonably sized”. The brainrot here is the idea that a pick-up or an SUV is a normal car for normal people rather than a speciality care for niche uses.
Why does a normal family need the high ground-clearance of an SUV? Why do they need four-wheel-drive? Why do they need the enormous cargo space? Not that no normal family needs one or more of those features, but the point - belaboured to death by now - is that most SUV owners don’t really need them even every year, never mind every week.
So yeah I think there is some brain-fry in those who find that reasonable.
Why does a normal family need the high ground-clearance of an SUV
Shitty roads
Why do they need four-wheel-drive
Snow and ice
Why do they need the enormous cargo space
Two kids who play instruments, or semi-frequent long-distance trips.
These are all pretty reasonable requirements for what Americans deal with on the road.
- Drive slower over potholes
- Drive slower when it’s icy (or not at all). 4WD won’t help you in the most important situation on ice: braking. What will help are studded tyres.
- You can fit two large instruments in a station wagon. You can fit two medium instruments in basically any car.
But I think you missed the point of my questions. What proportion of SUV owners actually need all those features? Are they worth it for the increased axle weight, emissions, and pedestrian deadliness? Obviously few, and obviously not.
That thing is still massive 🫠
R3X for you then!
What i find most interesting is that the modern style truck that people are buying are actually so awful to use for real work. The increased bed height makes it harder to hand load to the point that they added integrated stairs in the door which doesnt help at all because youre still climbing wasting energy. When getting tools out of the back seat if your not 7 feet tall you cant reach in without physically climbing in. They kinda just suck in comparison to the old. When i see trucks like the one below i genuinely think that person is using it as intended probably likes that model more than something theyd buy new. My brain cant help but comment “thats a real truck with a real contributer to society inside”
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Even that truck is on the bigger size. Looks like it was even lifted.
GMT 400s and 800s are the most goated pickup trucks off all time. Besides the pre-Duramax diesels. Those were garbage.
Gavril D-Series. 🤤
I’ve wasted way too much time on that thing. I’m not sorry, had fun. More of a brucknell legrand wagon man myself.
The Legran is a great car. I love its frumpiness. XD
I’m pretty sure that’s a gmt400, haven’t heard of a gavril before!
It is. Gavril is a made up brand from a game called beam ng. The game is basically car physics with some game attached and gavril are the trucks similar to an s10 up to a gm 3500.
nobody is using them for real work. they are status symbols.
they make fleet/commercial vehicles for real work.
Modern trucks are just emotional support vehicles for the egoistically challenged.
And they’re expensive status symbols at that. I don’t own a pickup anymore but I’ve had a few and the total cost of ownership is quite a bit higher than for a relatively nice but economical passenger car.
Especially in the south, but not limited to, you see a lot of new Z71’s and Raptors with lift kits, brush guards, spray in bed liners and diamond plated bed boxes in office parking lots, all with pristine trailer hitches.
People who modify their Raptors, generally are only making them less capable.
pavement princess compensation carriers
We say that, but if the prices maintain habits will change. After the Iraq invasion in 2003, I saw people buy more and more smaller city cars over the next half a dozen years (at least in Canada).
Even GM, Chrysler and Ford were bringing small cars to the market until 2008-2010.
Once affordability and credit dry up, there’ll be demand for small hybrids, economy cars and electric cars. SUVs and Pickups are just popular because car loans were so cheap. And gas prices have never been as low as the last decade.
Its already happening. 2000 f350 7.3L ZF6 4x4 rust free is worth less than 4k, trying to sell it for a recently widowed person and it sucks. Truck value, especially diesel, is shitting the bed.
It’s hard to find small cars in the us these days and if you do they are always clapped out shitboxes. Therefore your options are truck, suv, or a crossover.
Plenty of sedan and hatchback options on offer from Japanese and European automakers. Some are even built in the US.
I have no clue what you’re talking about or what would illicit an upvote here. There are plenty of small cars here. I have only owned them for 20 years now. I have seen them go from being the standard in cities to being on the downslope but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Wtf is a “clapped out shitbox” anyhow?
Op browsing Craigslist for a 93 civic - in this case they are 100% right ha
Sure, a 93 civic is probably way too hard to come by now, for good reason… Yes it’s hard to find affordable and reliable cars compared to a decade ago but that doesn’t mean it’s the right move to say “fuck it I’ll just buy a $37K SUV. It’s only double the price and triple the cost of ownership anyway”. Economy cars are still a thing and will continue to be as long as enough people don’t say “fuck it I’ll buy an SUV”
Not possible when mfgs do idiotic shit like ford stopping car production. you can’t even get a good car now
The fiesta was awesome. Ford stopped it. Subaru went to all shit cvt transmission. Chevy cars suck. Honda is ok ish.
I just want a manual awd wagon. Turbo optional. Apparently Americans hate wagons and hatches. I’ll keep buying used forever I guess.
“harder” !== “Not possible”
People buy 10 year old compact cars every day. If you want to complain about it being harder I am with you. If you want an excuse for buying a gas guzzler I am very much not.
Issue is those 10 year old compact cars are dissapearing along with parts to keep them going, plus we know the idiotic cash for clunkers destroyed 10s of thousands of useable good cars the poor could have used so the government could force us to buy new so gm wouldn’t fail. I’m still mad at that.
I would agree there are challenges/problems here. Just not that it’s impossible to drive/buy a car
corolla, mazda3, civic, elantra are all great cars and not shitboxes. what are you talking about?
it’s your mentality that drives people to drive huge cars they don’t need. a base level small car is 25K and you can lux them up to be luxury cars at around 30K, all without losing the mileage and safety.
I had a mazda 3, you’re right it was great but the used market is full of clapped out shit boxes and no one can afford to buy new these days. The people who can afford new cars are buying giant suvs and trucks.
25K civic is affordable for anyone on a salary 50/60K. The average salary in the USA for a single person is 48K…
yeah, it’s true that stupid people buy cars they can’t afford, rather than cars they can. the issue is people making 50K are buying cars that are 50K.
fwiw I’m looking for a used car 2-3yr old used in the 25K price range, and there are tons available in my area.
I may be in the minority but I hate trucks. I always will have a smaller sedan. Am US.
Am not US but otherwise felt the same, for a long time.
Now recently road conditions have been deteriorating quite badly where I live. With potholes everywhere, sedans and other small cars with delicate suspensions just get damaged all the time by the road. This, along with heavy snow and slush in the winter, has caused me to rethink my stance.
P much same. Have a crossover bc poor and that was the only used car in my area that was clean title, under 200k miles and not a shitty American-made brand, but it averages 32 mpg and I’m wanting my next vehicle to be a hybrid at minimum.
Seeing pristine baby coddling pickups pisses me off every time.
I would like a small, pre-2012 truck that is just used for hauling shit I need to the house, like wood, pellets, feed, etc.
What I find are dick-measuring vehicles where you have to lean forward to ensure no pedestrians are in front.
Still searching…
Theres a reason first gen Tacoma’s are still over $20k for a decent one. and they usually have over 300k miles. Such a great sized, good driving, easy to work on little pickup. (Minus the stupid frame recall).
Everything made today is shit. So hold on to your 90s cars guys.
Much like seeing one of the new post trucks, it’s a fun game to point at “small” trucks and exclaim “look, normal-size truck!” It’s just sad that they’re getting rare enough to point them out.
This one is 2017, but I really like these. Probably don’t come with the driving experience of your dreams, but it’s a truck.
If you’re fine with a trailer, this would be a viable option. In Europe, almost nobody uses a truck and we still haul a lot of shit around. You’d be surprised what a sedan can pull.
This way you would only have the higher drag when really needing it and the low cost of a smaller car the rest of the time.
Lots of places like furniture, hardware and gardening stores will also just rent you a trailer. So you can just hook it up and carry your stuff home if you need to. And if you need it more often you can just buy your own trailer, they’re not even that expensive.
Unfortunately in the US almost no small vehicle has rated towing capacity, even when the same vehicles do in Europe. So if you were to tow with a small sedan you’re operating outside of what it’s rated for in the US. So I’m sure manufacturers would use that to deny warranty coverage, or in the event of a crash I’m sure that could play a factor…
Every car in the US has a towing capacity number. Small cars are usually around 1k lbs
Oh, that’s a shame.
I’m not sure how to read the towing capacity in the USA, since it’s documented very differently over here, but it seems they’re petty much the same for the bog standard car I’ve picked (Audi A4). Dragging around 1.5 to 2 tons is probably enough for most people.
Looking at something like a Toyota Corolla (1.8 L hybrid, to compare like powertrains), it gets 1300 kg towing capacity in Europe from what I can find, and in the US it’s 0, the manual will say not to tow with it. I’m sure it varies between manufacturers.
That’s bitter.
I’ve had a 1999 and a 2007 Nissan Frontier. Both “King cab” (meaning only jump seats in the back, not full back seats). The 1999 was perfect. The new Frontiers are like the size of the old Titans, it’s ridiculous.
I’m an EV convert. I really like the Rivian pick-up for a lot of things, but the size is just too much (that and the cost). I currently drive a 2017 Kia Soul EV (and I had a Nissan Leaf before that) and it’s just great. There are a few times where I wish I still had a truck though. When the Soul winds up becoming my son’s car in a few years, I’m hoping that maybe I can swing getting a Slate. I also live in Hawai’i and kei trucks/vans are very popular here. Smaller vehicles with well-thought-out design are the best.
A hatchback or small SUV with the seats folded down is adequate for that. I fit a full size refrigerator and a 3 seat sofa in my scion xB (no not at the same time).
Got a prius now and fit two IKEA mattresses and bedframes no problem.
Plus you don’t need to worry about people just deciding to grab shit since it’s enclosed.
Slate truck. Ford Fathom. Only options I’m aware of in the USA.
Ford maverick, size of the old rangers with 40 mpg
While true, they have a lot of issues and are way too techy, and fwd. Give me the ranger.
The current ranger makes my 85 F160 feel small. Or at least low.
That cab though lol I legit just want a single cab truck with no gimmicks, but “the market” all trends to “big car with bed” because they can mark up the price.
My dad has a '93 Ford Ranger
4 cylinder, 7ft bed, single cab with a bench seat. Gets around 20mpg, which honestly isn’t too shabby even by new truck standards.
Over the years it’s moved a lot of furniture, picked up a lot of bulky lumber and such from the hardware store, picked up a few decent sized loads of firewood, and generally done everything most normal people would need or want a truck for.
The bed is pretty low compared to modern trucks so it’s easy to load and unload, back it up to a curb and you can pretty step right off the sidewalk into the bed with the tailgate down
I have complaints about it, but they’re nothing most people couldn’t live with. It’s 0-60 time is probably best stated as “eventually,” especially if you’re carrying anything significant in the bed. And with no weight over those rear wheels it’s kind of shitty to drive on anything besides dry paved roads so 4wd would be nice. And of course after 30+ years it’s got some quirks and little things that are broken.
But if I could buy basically that exact same truck today, maybe as a hybrid or EV, I’d jump on it. I don’t need more performance, I’m not going to use it to haul a bed full of gravel or anything, we’ve never had to tow with it, and when I’ve towed with my own car it’s never been anything more substantial than a teardrop trailer that a Prius could probably just about handle if they came with a tow hitch.
I really like the maverick, it checks a lot of boxes for me and is overall pretty similar in size to my dad’s ranger but that short bed annoys me, I can’t fit a couch in that.
My brother had a 90s Toyota with a 5 speed and the full 8’ I believe. We did small town construction and it was perfect for general lumber/ladders/groceries/etc.
It also had suffered a bad repair job in a backyard shop at some point and would kind of shibby down the road a little sideways. Insanely reliable though.
I don’t see how that could be a minority opinion. Don’t let the “Americans are bad people” posts get to you.
It’s objectively a minority opinion here in the USA, Ford doesn’t even make sedans anymore because they were selling so poorly.
Meanwhile, I got a raise at my old job because I got a pickup truck.
That’s because Ford neglected their products, choosing instead to invest in higher margin trucks. Everytime they came out with a successful car, they waited until obsolesce before producing a proper replacement.
It’s not getting to me at all. Just saying where I am, majority truck central is a thing.
Fool! Sedans are the worst form factor vehicle there is. LONG LIVE THE LONG ROOF! Wagons and hatch backs 4 life
I have a truck and I’ll mention some uses for it since most people here seem ignorant. I use it for the following multiple times a month.
- Hauling plywood, sheet rock, and other lumber
- Moving furniture
- Dirt/mulch/fertilizer
- Landscape pavers/rocks
- Moving gear for camping for groups of people
- pulling a trailer to haul equipment
- moving large tools
There’s a lot of hate here and it seems misdirected.
I have a diesel truck which currently costs EIGHT dollars a gallon to fill up in California right now, and I use my truck for the following every day for the past six years:
I literally live in it.
No rent, no mortgage, no property taxes, no utilities payments because all my electricity comes from my roof solar panels, I can live anywhere I want, usually the ocean, sometimes Colorado mountains, sometimes Arizona desert which is lovely in the winter. All it costs is the same amount everyone else is paying for their own vehicle maintenance. Except it’s the only expense I have ❤️
Doesn’t that lifestyle become lonely after a while? I tried some car living for a while (didn’t even have curtains, so I ‘couldn’t throw rocks at others’). I found a nice groove with a gym (went there for showering, then eventually working out as well), but I felt like a pariah in the city. Cops shooed me away twice, which made me feel insecure everywhere.
It’s about saving money & enjoying freedom. Loneliness happens even when people live in apartments, houses, & mansions.
was just about to say, it can be cost effective if it makes sense for what you’re using it for then it’s not a bad investment.
Americans really love to act like 99% of those trucks aren’t just used to haul someones ass to wallmart for some groceries
I’ve always said they try to compensate for something because I can’t for the life of me understand why’d you’d need a massive pickup truck and you live in the suburbs
I actively despise those massive pavement princesses and lose respect for any person who has one. They’re a must-have in the “macho insecure man-child” starter pack.
Externalizing their “alpha” BS.
When the planet gets too hot for us to go outside, our dependence on motor vehicles will deepen that much more. But we’ll need ways to interact with the world safely, so engineers will find ways to redesign cars and trucks into relatively almost affordable wheeled mecha. These Mechars will still put us into a lifetime of debt, but that’s okay because the way people use their cars is already like a minihome, and so the mechars will continue that trend of essentially being our homes on wheels, complete with mortgage. We won’t need houses, which is great cause they’ll be demolished to make room for the charging stations for these mechars.
I can’t get the imagery of countless mecha stuck in rush hour traffic out of my head.
this should be an anime. the image of mecha traffic jams especially.
For the 2027 model year, GM/Chevrolet are bringing back the 350! 6.7L of V8 power, up from a measly 6.2L!
350ci is 5.7l
What other kind of vehicle can carry 300 pounds of 'murican fat?
300? Those are rookie numbers.
What’s that in metric? 600kg?
About 2167 big macs
The answer was hybrids, but that wasn’t good enough for the “environmentalists”. So battery only power was forced on us before there was even infrastructure developed for it. Now, adoption rates are stagnant and we are creating even more environmental hazards than before.
We did it y’all!!
Prius go wooooosh
