• Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    10 hours ago

    The problem is that Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley is beyond the reach of public justice. He and his company are committing grievous wrongdoing against the people of the United States, and yet there is no judicial or civil recourse.

    And while he remains free, he continues to commit further injustices including providing a service that enables predators and doesn’t actually prevent or solve crime. (None that they were able to demonstrate by studies, and instead lied about what their studies said.)

    So while I can’t endorse the methods a plumber’s brother might take, I can certainly understand them.

    And doxxing doesn’t even rise to that occasion.

    I’m not going to criticize doxing this guy any more than I would other evil fucks, such as Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk or Peter Thiel, all of whom wish us harm and have great power to do so.

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    19 hours ago

    Now, to be clear, doxxing someone is completely indefensible and dangerous because it puts real people in physical danger.

    Fuck that. This guy deserves to be doxed and deserves every potential outcome of being doxed.

    To be guillotined would be more mercy than he is owed.

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        19 hours ago

        Nah. They are human. To deny that is to deny that which makes a person stoop so low as to become a CEO (rhyme initially not intended but damnit I’ll still take credit for it)

        Plus, I respect rats too much to demean them like that

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        19 hours ago

        This is dehumanization. It is the tool of the enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it.

        Batman_breaks_rifle.jpegxl

        If you dehumanize persons, you aren’t a leftist or revolutionary or the resistance or an activist. You are a fascist.

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          18 hours ago

          Ok, I see your point but in a fascist society, what else can you do to stop him? Harsh language? A lawsuit you can’t afford?

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            Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I’m not even saying don’t dox the guy, I’m saying that don’t forget that you are doxing a person.

            The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat.

            Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how “we should balance privacy and safety” as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization.

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          19 hours ago

          You are a fascist.

          whatever. so be it. those persons have lost their humanity. they are doing anything to the detriment of the common people, for the sake of it. we well get nowhere until they can continue what they are doing, guaranteed. no, that’s not even true, we are literally going backwards to the dark ages.

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            19 hours ago

            I don’t wasn’t fascists dehumanized. I do want lots of things for them but humanity doesn’t get to ignore its worst aspects.

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            19 hours ago

            I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me.

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      20 hours ago

      We should probably just have his computer searched on basic principles, since these guys always turn out to be paedophiles. Always, like literally every single time.

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        19 hours ago

        makes sense, they are passing a lot of child protection laws to protect children that infringe on privacy of computer users. He’s probably making that AI CSPAN or whatever it is.

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    19 hours ago

    Their CEO, Garrett Langley, went on Fox News recently and argued that […] we all just need to accept a “compromise” between privacy and safety.

    I’m struck by what a giant load of bullshit this is and how Flock (and copycat companies like Axion) are just facilitating the sort of police state that would be required to make something like Project 2025 possible.

    “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
    — The U.S.’s own kite-flyin’, not slave fuckin’ (wrong guy, sorry!), $100 dollar bill havin’ Bennie F.

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      we all just need to accept a “compromise” between privacy and safety.

      You will be safe from retribution when you respect out privacy and stop spying on us.

      That’s a fair "compromise ", isn’t it?

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      23 hours ago

      Ben Franklin was very progressive for his time. He owned a few slaves early in his life, but soon freed them and spent the rest of his life as one of that time period’s most outspoken critics of slavery. He even bought a printing press so he could spread anti-slavery rhetoric more effectively.

      You have internet, there’s no excuse for being wrong unless you just like spreading misinformation.

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        Oh, shoot, you’re right. I had just woken up. I was thinking of Jefferson.

        Damnit. Thank you for pointing that out.

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    23 hours ago

    What about axon? They are taking contracts over now… Sucks cause this company also helps with body cameras and those are good.

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      Apparently Axon doesn’t have the same national network. So a cop in Texas can’t track his ex or a woman going for an abortion in Oklahoma.

      I still don’t like having ALPR type cameras all over town, though.

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    1 day ago

    Oh no! This guy is in danger! We should set up a ton of security cameras around his house so we can all keep an eye on him and make sure he’s safe!

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    Set up cameras around his house, not pointing directly at his house. Then make some software to guess when he is home or not and what vehicle he left in. Then sell that data to anyone for a cent. Include wi-fi and bluetooth tracking too.

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      Nah man, we gotta get the cameras RIGHT in his house. What if someone gets in we couldn’t see from the outside?

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        23 hours ago

        That’s true. He is on record stating that safety is more important than privacy. I’m sure he won’t mind.

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    Now, to be clear, doxxing someone is completely indefensible and dangerous because it puts real people in physical danger. But the irony here is thick.

    Hmmmm. Putting nazis in physical danger is very defensible i think.

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      20 hours ago

      I just like the idea that knowing where he lives in some way puts him in more danger than he already was before. Anyone who really wanted him dead would already has this information.

      So basically him being docxed is just about telling everyone where he lives. He doesn’t want that because it’ll result in protesters turning up on his lawn but his life is not in any more danger.