The phrase “is it true that jews control Israel”, has two interpretations:
judaism as a whole, controls Israel
there are some people who happen to be Jewish who control Israel
The latter is very obviously true (Netanyahu is one of them[1]), which means that the word “secretly” narrows the interpretation down to the first one.
And the first interpretation is antisemitic. It plays right into the zionist propaganda that israel is for the jews and, more importantly, by the jews. Just because jews worldwide are the beneficiaries of the israeli jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they’re the perpetrators of it. Israel is a western colonial project aimed at establishing an international ghetto for the jews. It is not “secretly controlled by jews”. Death to Israel.
[1] I’m not pulling a Bernie Sanders here. Israel has no right to exist. You won’t catch me saying “Stop it Israel, this isn’t you” type shit, blaming the genocide on Netanyahu only. Israel needs to end if we care about the right to self determination (which is a real right) of the people between the river and the sea, in particular Palestinians.
Israel is a specifically Jewish state with laws (rape specifically) that protect jews only. Citizenship freely available to all jews globally. Apartheid is, and always has been, structural. It’s a similar proposition to say Americans control America, based on American citizens having privleges. But that statement is also anti-semitic, because it denies Israel’s control.
Very true, very correct. But like I said, don’t mistake beneficiaries for perpetrators. Norman Finkelstein, despite being jewish, is certainly not to blame for Israel. Medea Benjamin, despite being jewish, is not to blame for Israel’s actions. Any random jewish kid born today outside of Israel, despite being jewish is not to blame for Israel.
Yep. Like I said, just because the jews are the beneficiaries of (this means the people who benefit from something) Israel’s jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they are the perpetrators of it (this means the people who are to blame for something).
I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa
Yes. Because that’s the correct take. Folks in Novosibirsk were not to blame for apartheid in South Africa. Most white south afrikaners were, and probably some of the natives played a role as well. The Dutch and the English were to blame to a large extent. But whites as an ethnic group, as a whole? That’s just silly.
But that’s the whole point of my comment. The part “secretly” in the phrase “jews secretly control Israel” means the only reasonable interpretation of the phrase is the antisemitic one.
I won’t argue there’s a bit of an antisemitic vibe to the way they put it, as “secretly”. But that secretly then also implies that most of Israelis don’t have control over what’s happening in their country. And most of them are Jewish as well so. Yeah. The implications are all over the place.
The phrase “is it true that jews control Israel”, has two interpretations:
The latter is very obviously true (Netanyahu is one of them[1]), which means that the word “secretly” narrows the interpretation down to the first one.
And the first interpretation is antisemitic. It plays right into the zionist propaganda that israel is for the jews and, more importantly, by the jews. Just because jews worldwide are the beneficiaries of the israeli jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they’re the perpetrators of it. Israel is a western colonial project aimed at establishing an international ghetto for the jews. It is not “secretly controlled by jews”. Death to Israel.
[1] I’m not pulling a Bernie Sanders here. Israel has no right to exist. You won’t catch me saying “Stop it Israel, this isn’t you” type shit, blaming the genocide on Netanyahu only. Israel needs to end if we care about the right to self determination (which is a real right) of the people between the river and the sea, in particular Palestinians.
There’s actually a pretty good jewish-law thing argument for Israelis not being Jews.
Source: an ex girlfriend whose dad was almost a rabbi but liked heroin too much, while very very very stoned.
Israel is a specifically Jewish state with laws (rape specifically) that protect jews only. Citizenship freely available to all jews globally. Apartheid is, and always has been, structural. It’s a similar proposition to say Americans control America, based on American citizens having privleges. But that statement is also anti-semitic, because it denies Israel’s control.
Very true, very correct. But like I said, don’t mistake beneficiaries for perpetrators. Norman Finkelstein, despite being jewish, is certainly not to blame for Israel. Medea Benjamin, despite being jewish, is not to blame for Israel’s actions. Any random jewish kid born today outside of Israel, despite being jewish is not to blame for Israel.
According to its constitution, Israel is specifically for the jews.
Yep. Like I said, just because the jews are the beneficiaries of (this means the people who benefit from something) Israel’s jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they are the perpetrators of it (this means the people who are to blame for something).
I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa, “just because they were the beneficiaries”.
It wasn’t exactly black people drawing up those segregation laws, was it?
Yes. Because that’s the correct take. Folks in Novosibirsk were not to blame for apartheid in South Africa. Most white south afrikaners were, and probably some of the natives played a role as well. The Dutch and the English were to blame to a large extent. But whites as an ethnic group, as a whole? That’s just silly.
I didn’t say it was all white people everywhere, but it definitely wasn’t the black people doing apartheid either.
But that’s the whole point of my comment. The part “secretly” in the phrase “jews secretly control Israel” means the only reasonable interpretation of the phrase is the antisemitic one.
But the people who control Israel are jews?
I won’t argue there’s a bit of an antisemitic vibe to the way they put it, as “secretly”. But that secretly then also implies that most of Israelis don’t have control over what’s happening in their country. And most of them are Jewish as well so. Yeah. The implications are all over the place.