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      Yep. Like I said, just because the jews are the beneficiaries of (this means the people who benefit from something) Israel’s jewish supremacist ideology, doesn’t mean they are the perpetrators of it (this means the people who are to blame for something).

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        I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa, “just because they were the beneficiaries”.

        It wasn’t exactly black people drawing up those segregation laws, was it?

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          I mean that’s kinda like arguing white people weren’t responsible for apartheid in South-Africa

          Yes. Because that’s the correct take. Folks in Novosibirsk were not to blame for apartheid in South Africa. Most white south afrikaners were, and probably some of the natives played a role as well. The Dutch and the English were to blame to a large extent. But whites as an ethnic group, as a whole? That’s just silly.

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            9 hours ago

            I didn’t say it was all white people everywhere, but it definitely wasn’t the black people doing apartheid either.

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              But that’s the whole point of my comment. The part “secretly” in the phrase “jews secretly control Israel” means the only reasonable interpretation of the phrase is the antisemitic one.

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                But the people who control Israel are jews?

                I won’t argue there’s a bit of an antisemitic vibe to the way they put it, as “secretly”. But that secretly then also implies that most of Israelis don’t have control over what’s happening in their country. And most of them are Jewish as well so. Yeah. The implications are all over the place.