Bollocks, respectfully, bollocks.
Internet from the very conception was built around automation and bots. What wasn’t built around bots is advertising. Quoting this article:
The internet was architected around […] entire world of digital advertising
It only causes problems for big advertisers. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc. because if there is one thing advertisers hate more than adBlock is the idea that their clients will stop believing that ads are shown to real humans. Push for digital-ID is not to protect children, it is just another push to convince dumb shareholders that advertising online is still perfectly viable.
The internet wasn’t built for bots though? It was a way to connect universities to make it easier to share research and information and make it robust enough that it could function if some nodes were lost. Never have a heard automation was a foundational part of it.
I would take it a step further and say internet was never built for corporations. It was always intended to be a place where scientists share research, talk about star trek, and do drugs.
So wait the scientists would be doing drugs and talking about Star Trek while sharing research?
We really did fuck up the timeline, didn’t we?
I thought this already happened in 2024 or 2025, there is report here: https://www.imperva.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/reports/2025-Bad-Bot-Report.pdf
Also, are we counting number of users, like a human vs a machine doing http calls? I believe we are right?
Because there is the other metric: traffic. Traffic the interenet was also not built for, Video streaming. Which accounts for somewhere between 65 to 80 percent of all internet traffic depending on who you ask. Which makes me wonder how much data is just moving around that humans requested once (or not at all, like auto play) plus cloud server syncing - one drive, google drive, back end data, usenet, torrents, etc.
Seems like the machines have taken over the internet that used to be our mail and chats. And usenet. Sweet usenet.
To be honest it was always the case, because the internet was built for this
FACEBOOK largely is mostly AI for a while, they banned/ required too many of actual users to give more personal data. REDDIT is very close second to facebook. bots on yt is a little unusual, its mostly revolves around anti-woke mysgoyny, or trying to act/claim like the actual celebritiy account.
Obligatory clanker hate speech comment
Imagine it. A million robots ragebaiting, trolling, misinforming humans and other robots alike. A constant hum of PC components just out there spewing shit.
I can’t wait for the bot bubble to burst when these mega corporations end up spending more money on bots and losing revenue trying to pander to a non existent consumer base.
ID verification is a way to prevent this. I guess that partially is why corporations are pushing it.
2016 you mean?
Kind of like how our highways weren’t meant for hundreds of thousands of semi trailers on them every day, but we just keep jamming more fucking trucks on the road. Humans will just overdo something until there is a catastrophic failure, sometimes they keep doing it after that.
Tragedy of the commons.
I think it’s a disturbing function of human group behavior. One human can be smart. Humans en masse seem to groupthink ourselves into self-affirming decisions
We thought the fauna of the plains of Africa were so plentiful they could never go extinct, until we drove a number of them to extinction
We thought the ocean was so vast that the solution to pollution was dilution, until we created garbage islands and watched corals die off
We thought we were too small to affect the global climate, until we started watching anthropogenic climate change.
We just never fucking learn.
Yeah I’m not sure exactly what the solution is since it’s obviously a problem that has plagued mankind since the beginning. We’ll figure it out some day, or not.
Safety laws are written in blood. Because it’s unprofitable to prevent disasters before they happen…
But look at them over regulate and red-tape anything that could possibly maybe harm their profits by actually innovating and improving quality… Working in biotech and knowing we could fix a lot of the issues with world hunger and vaccines by using tech we already know is safe but is barred from use because established companies would not profit as much is infuriating…
Can you provide an example, please.
The “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mentality.
Even if it’s broke, wait until it’s financially untenable to ignore it.
Funny, I’d rather have more trailers and leave the roads to them and make sure people have good transport like subways, rails, etc. you’re always going to have a last-mile issue you can’t solve with mass transit so that works better for me.
Exactly! The trucks aren’t the issue with the roads, it’s the amount of cars due to overpriced and underperforming public transport.
I’d rather all the cargo moved by rail. Trains can be automated way better than a truck and the efficiency is enormous for longhaul.
And last mile how?
And last mile how?
Progressively smaller gauge railways, until your Amazon parcel arrives via a 1-inch track on the regular 3.15pm service from the end of your street.
This is the way
Trebuchets.
Cake buddy!
Are you suggesting the entire long haul freight infrastructure should be designed around the “last mile”?
Ebikes
I just bought an e-scooter and it comes later this week. I am so stoked to be able to get around a little easier.
Yeah, I would rather that too honestly, it makes a lot more sense, but I suppose my main point was they should be on a separate system than commuters, whatever that may :)
The World Wide Web was never built for this, the Internet is just the physical network that connects it and everything else that’s online.
You didn’t say “Um, Actually”
[email protected] is over this way :)
Good sir! Per chance do you Arch btw?
Still can’t find this mystical BTW version of Arch
pacman -Sy greypoupon
I use regular arch
This is, consequently, also why all these AI companies are talking about selling computers to agents now. Its obvious the math doesn’t work when an agent costs more than a person does.
… but if agents were selling agents to agents while agenting… the math works similarly to company n increasing its market cap exponentially by “investing” in another company… o which promises really hard to invest that back in company n…
Look: its totally logical and all of this makes perfect sense. 🫧
This is such a dumb reference, but I cannot believe MumboJumbo’s current "mini"game project kind of perfectly predicted this… Bots trading to bots who are trading to bots all to boost the economy while the people are either starving to death within the system they robbed from us or living in the fringes and scrapping by
Theres a certain amount of inevitability in this… If its expected every single quarter you somehow produce better numbers than your last numbers… you are incentivised to make the sand castle taller by digging around its foundation spill more on the top. This applies to not only individual companies but the market at large - its practically fractal in nature.
Most of the market by now is aware AI and its promises are bullshit. Its just about passing that hot potato nuke around until it explodes. Nobody is worried about each pass making it a bigger bomb… they’re worried about not being the guy holding it when it blows.
Venture capital?! Is that you?
add rogue AIs, datakrash from cyberpunk and we’re golden!
seriously though, i want a seperate internet with strict no AI policy, maybe even a wall called Blackwall…
The filthy rich destroy everything they touch.
Its a shame people haven’t realized how few of them there are and how much better things would be if they… just … you know. Weren’t.
Meanwhile they are building bunkers and installing more surveillance we are paying for. The mind boggles at the trajectory we are on.
Dead internet theory goes
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Is it a theory if it’s proven? I guess gravity, relativity, etc are factual even if they are theories.
Could’ve taken 2 minutes to look up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
I guess your parents are definitely siblings.
I suppose once the pillaging of everything they can train on is over, it will calm down a bit. But maybe I’m naïve on that front…
AI is already training on slop, because it can’t tell its own excrement from actual human creativity.
Isn’t AI training on itself a well known thing to avoid ? If I remember correctly the “” performance “” goes to shit very quickly when you train a model on it’s own output.
I doubt serious AI actors will make that mistake.
But on its own, the way they just opened their torrent client and started downloading made me furious.
In France you can still get caught downloading illegally and it can have serious consequences. But for AI businesses, copyright holders seem to look the other way. Businesses have extra rights to citizens and it’s completely unfair.
AI developers might be smart enough to filter their own output, but AI training is still taking in output from their competitors’ models, usually without realizing it.
I read carefully this article but I think it is not about the issue I was mentioning.
I was talking about “model collapse” and this seems rather about multiple models training on similar datasets (shared learning ressources).
Yeah, I think we’re talking about the same thing. I thought the article I linked was the one I had read about model inbreeding, but now that I look at it a bit closer, it’s probably the product of model inbreeding itself. ;) I thought there was an article published this year about the problem, but now I can’t find it to save myself. It’s possible that I’m hallucinating. My memory is worse than ChatGPT’s.
In ten years English will be so sycophantic that conversations will span days.
It’ll be like the Ents gathering.
Human society is clearly being led down a preconceived path created by those that believe their perception of what life is is “correct”.
The data centers being built aren’t for you to use chatgpt. It’s like it will be the final step to truly turn humans that participate in this lifestyle from ‘free’ into a product, trained, built and traded. Our lives surveilled and data mined to create pin point precise psychological marketing manipulation campaigns specifically tailored to us individually in order to lead our lives down a path that is not ours and not our natural destiny. It’s not new, humanity is already so far gone. Detox from “lifestyles” until you know the raw essence of your humanity, and then live for that.
I’ve posted it before but this quote fits so well.
“…It’s a vast subject, a dense subject. I can’t possibly do justice to it in the time allowed. This means I’m going to have to insult your intelligence by skimming across the top of subjects that you could get a PhD dissertation written in and still not cover thoroughly. This massive documentation of course is the salvation of the intellectually attuned. I urge you to read for yourselves. Do not take anything I’m saying tonight as the gospel. I’m telling you that our leaders lie to us. They lie to us systematically. They lie to us with a purpose that may not be your purpose. Some of their lies, if you’re a young man may motivate you, uh, to go off someday and die, be killed or to kill people.” - https://youtu.be/xKJ6NPEDuZA
What they want, is to eliminate us entirely. They don’t want to use us. They have no use for us once their god-machines are built. They intend to create a world where human life, human labour, humanity in general has no value at all. We’re too messy, too complex, too fallible. Humans are fundamentally irrational entities capable of limited rationality when absolutely necessary. There is no utopia coming. They want us gone, by any means necessary. And if they can get us to lay down and die without a fight, all the better.
We are already basically in a pen, consolidated as livestock. This upcoming and modern stuff is just the new way to lead us there. It’s like a slow motion genocide. They can do whatever they want as long as people think they have freewill. It’s a con, a trick to make people believe they make their choices. And it’s probably been going on before America existed. Even the political debates are pointless. Everyone’s still fighting for the same entity of human ownership and overall genocide even if they think they are rebels fighting for rights and freedoms. It’s marketed slavery.
On that note… This is what gnosticism is about. This understanding. And gnosticism was hidden for the purpose of industrializing religion for control. It feels like the battles going on right now, if one is in tune, are ancient. We are still fighting war for holy ideologies to fulfill the eschatology. The opposite of gnosticism. The opposite of genuine nature, and the opposite of truth.
