I am trying to capture costs for starting into homelab/selfhosting.
VPNs, search engines, absolutely everything and anything.
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The only subscription I have is Mullvad.
Uhh i think i pay $70 every couple years for a vpn and thats kinda that.
Wonky Coffee, about £30 per month.
Hey, you did say anything and everything…!
Wonky Coffee
Never heard of them, checked it out. That’s a noble cause. I think we Americans especially, waste so much food it’s downright embarrassing. Yet we make laws that say it is prohibited to feed the homeless. That’s unconscionable imho. I strongly feel, we as a society, have a moral obligation to our fellow man to help when help is needed, no matter who they are or how they came to be in need.
I was tempted to say $0, but then I thought harder about the problem.
Technically I do have ongoing costs
- PAYG costs for Usenet-news (iirc, $22USD for 500GB block)
https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=home
- News indexer (I think…$60 every 5 years?)
Electricity (whatever tiny amount raspberry pi sips). At a guess, maybe $50/yr.
So, amortised over time - very low but not zero. In theory, if I dropped Usenet, it would even lower. And theoretically, I could run the pi off a single solar panel and a diy solar kit but I’m not busy pretending to be Robinson Crusoe just yet. Though… It might be a cool project.
$50/year electrical bill for a Pi?!
Nevermind, I just did some back of the napkin math and came out around 35 a year if I was running one full power 24/7, so yeah, that is the right ballpark guess for a maximum.
Usenet…boy that brings back some memories from back in the day. Surprised that it seems to still be going strong.
Yarrr! But it really mostly is Yarr these days. So don’t go firing up Trumpet winsock to check Forte Agent :)
Ahh yeah. Good ol winaock. DLL. Just copy the DLL and magically these programs are connected???
I remember it being a touch more …analog…back in the day. ATDT commands and all.
But yeah, Win 3.11+ trumpet winsock and Free Agent were the shit. Rec.martial.arts was home back then (along with mIRC).
Lemmy reminds me a bit of the old Usenet fora.
You might want to consider Premiumize for Usenet (and torrent cache) at that price. Catch it on the Black Friday sale. I think it does NZB as well.
Torrent cache? As in seedbox?
This is why torrents are better! I torrent the highest quality files I can find so I’d blow through that 500gb quickly.
Debatable :) Torrents rely on seeders. I’ve downloaded movies and TV shows >5 yrs since initial upload via Usenet. Yes, things expire there too (eventually), but when the getting is good, it’s uniformly good / fast.
OTOH, 1337 has been pretty decent to me of late.
It’s tricky. On one hand, Jellyfin and the arr stack are what got me into self hosting. OTOH…torrents are simpler - I can plug my external SSD directly into my router, which streams to NovaPlayer on any android device - nothing else needed. Want a new show / movie? Grab the torrent, punt it across to ssd via samba share. It auto populates.
https://github.com/nova-video-player/aos-AVP
It’s…simpler. Arguably more elegant / less moving parts.
Dunno.
Unlimited Usenet plans are pretty cheap to depending on sales.
Edit to add: I’m not a quality snob, but I’d probably blow through 500GB way too quickly.
Use to last me 2-3 months… but my media library is more or less complete now, with little churn. Also, I don’t ever go above 1080p.
I need to check if Radarr / Sonarr works with straight torrents (it must do; I haven’t used them for ages / have been using 1337 manually, but I seem to recall torrents being a source).
Only a VPN at around $65-70 per year.
What!! Unless your VPN is hooked up through a NASA telescope and transmits your data through space and time 70 bucks per year is a SCAMMM!!! $70 every two/three years, that makes more sense.
and here I thought the idea was to avoid to have subscriptions 🤣
domain: $70 / year
VPS: $200 / year (~$17 / month)
everything else is basically free, for backups i use cloudflare R2’s free plan and my local machine, i don’t have media/storage servers so it’s more than enough
Domain for $8 a year and 300Mbps fiber for $45 a month which snake ass AT&T keeps increasing in 5 dollar increments, so thank you for reminding me to call Spectrum for a quote so I can then call AT&T and harass them into giving me the correct price for another year.
call Spectrum for a quote so I can then call AT&T and harass them into giving me the correct price for another year.
It’s a shitty business model. Over the years I’ve found that in order to get the most out of Spectrum it is necessary to be a royal asshole and live in their phones. Here in this locale, Spectrum contracted with the local schools to be their ISP, so Spectrum became a utility just like water, power, etc. We even have a complaint form on our official county’s website to facilitate being a royal asshole when necessary.
AT&T just bought my fiber provider
- Domain and DNS service: 30€/year
- VPS: 128€/year
- Usenet indexer: 15$/year
- Cloud storage for backup: 350€ + 280€ one time payments for 4TB total.
4€ a month for a VPS. Used to host a wireguard VPN and make my home server publicly accessible with restrictions
25€ a year for the domain name.
Last year I spent around £60 per months on subscriptions only. Plus internet £35, so nearly £100. This year I’ve stopped Apple (iCloud bs+), prime, Spotify, audible and replaced those with FOSS, this year a one time payment per year to a Usenet service, £60, and a vps at £5 months, the experience has changed and after a bit of adaptation it all now feels so much better than the shackled experience I used to have. Love everything about it! So all in all I used to have a budget of around £1200/year and now it’s down to half of that and the experience is far far far better. I recommend it.! Would be interested now to look at what can be done with IPTV.
$0
- Domain 15€/yr
- Music 8.50€/month (trying to convince my girlfriend to move from Spotify to Qobuz
That is it I think. I don’t consider internet/water/electricity subscriptions as much as utilities.
Can’t really afford anything else right now because my girlfriend as a cafe owner only brings in around 1200€/month or so working >60hr/week and we have a full renovation to pay for.
I want to dedicate like 10-20€/month to FOSS I use once the situation is better.
Technically, £0
I do have use Mullvad VPN, but not really for any of my hosting, and I do have a Hetzner VPS for my own site, which I have started using to access things. But I can access it all with Tailscale, which is free, as long as I can remember port numbers.
But with those taken into account;
Mullvad: £5 VPS: £15 Domain registration: £35pa
So all told it’s about £22 a month.
I do need to look into donating to some of the services I use the most though.
Thinking on it, I suppose the biggest cost is in terms of my time.
Up until this point, I’ve put quite a bit of time into learning how things work, and how to deploy things I’d find useful, and that can replace paid for services. Even now things are set up and running, I still have a tendency to fiddle with things. I’ve spent far more time on my Navidrome server than I ever did on Apple Music, put it that way. The same amount of time listening, mind.
Domain is about $15/yr
Email for my domain is $20/yr
VPN is about $50/yr
Which email host do you use? I can’t decide which one to go for. I want something like migadu but they seem a bit scary with their message limits. The other option I have in mind is purelymail but I don’t know if I trust them yet
Not who you replied ti, but I’ve been on purelymail for about a year and a half. No complaints. $10.yr is great, and their billing statements claim I could be around $3/year if I switched to their advanced billing. I have nagging concern that they’re hosted on AWS, and if your goal is to completely free yourself of US tech giants, then purelymail won’t.
Thanks for the input! Yeah, I haven’t heard of any bad experience with them. Maybe I just need to take the leap of faith. Although the ownership change recently was a bit concerning but it seems like the operation quality hasn’t reduced
My domain’s registrar is namecheap, i tried their email on a whim, i’ve had no complaints in the 7ish years I’ve been using them. Privateemail.com
I checked it out, looks like they don’t support catch all and have an artifical limitation on “aliases”
For me, I think I would like to have catch all working without paying too much
Yeah thats… Pretty much it for me.
Unless we want to include donations? But that doesnt fit the word “subscription” IMO.
