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As AI tech companies increasingly buy and destroy books to feed to their AI models, Anna’s Archive is calling for volunteers to help preserve them for the public record.
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AI training is distroying books
Every time I hear that claim it sounds weird to me. You can’t say that without an explanation.
Sure, scanning a print copy can mean distroying it but a book as a work still exist. We are very far from having scanned every books which physical copy are numerous. If AI trains on every romance novel published in the 80’s, it is far from distroying books by distroying physical copy.
Now if AI company are searching for rare books to scan and distroy, it is much more worrying but finding rare editions or print copies of books is a trade and the normal citizen can’t jumps in to save the day.
They are literally searching for rare books, paying premium costs for them, then cutting off their spines because it is faster to scan them that way.
Not only do they not need to destroy the books to scan them, but Google already did this 2 decades ago, and they did it non-destructively.they arent paying extra, they are buying books planned for destruction anyways?
Independent bookstores all across Europe are seeing a trend like this, where they receive random, relatively large orders that are shipped to local addresses. While orders like these still come through in the digital age, especially from institutional buyers looking to fill out new libraries, they say that most “legitimate” orders often come with coordination and negotiation, not just a straight purchase order.
They’re destroying things that don’t have to be destroyed and compiling the information into privately owned megastructures they’ll then charge us to access while we own nothing and they can then alter the books.
Nah I’m good. Everything these AI companies stand for is fucking evil and malicious.
For every AI that researches a legit medical issue, they start literally burning fucking books, replacing jobs, screwing basically everyone, and making the world overall much worse.
If you can’t see why these companies destroying any amount of books is bad, idk how to help you. Maybe look up a list of who has ever mass destroyed books. There’s not a lot of good people there.
Humans have been scanning books for decades. All books created today exist electronically before (a copy) gets physically printed of a book that remains existing.
Type writers are a museum piece. not a utility anymore. Calm down.
All books created today exist electronically before (a copy) gets physically printed of a book that remains existing.
Not really. There is a lot of full manuscrit books made to this day. By scholar in region where electricity is not as much available. By student compile hand-written notes from oral teaching. By people composing small things for family and friends or just for themselves. By activist and locally involed people making just on or a few copy to be share in physicial Space around them.
That’s a huge part of what exist outside the publishing industry.
And we used copiers and voice recorders for that since before computers. That has been used since the 70s. Even earlier.
scanning that and adding it to the common knowledge and making it accessible is something we’ve been doing since computers were a thing decades before today.
Students now still use recordings that can be parsed into text.
Suddenly it’s an issue now because someone needs so badly to be outraged by literally everything that can be distorted into a rage bait title like this one.
So you have the digital source of literally any book? Literally any single book you yourself didn’t write or publish.
Because the source code for GTA6 exists, but you sure as shit don’t have it.
And how about you? Do you have the hard originals of every book? Why do you suddenly care only now that books are being copied?? They’ve been getting scanned for half a century now. You only care now to be outraged about it something for today
I don’t think that’s the argument you think it is.
The outrage is over the books being destructively scanned, en mass, and held in private after the fact. Very, very, very different than the majority of scanning which is non destructive, and usually shared.
‘En mass’
No. That’s not what that means.
They destroyed (a) copy they bought. That is not en mass.
you didn’t buy it. It’s their copy.
They didn’t destroy all copies. Go buy yourself one of you wanted it so bad. You can support the author too.
If they buy 100k books and destroy them all, even if every one is unique, that is en mass. I don’t know why I have to explain that to you, but there you go.
You don’t need to destroy books to scan them.
You’re very gullible.
“gullible”
hurry, you better take up reading books to learn the meaning of these words you’re using before the AI ‘destroys’ the useless copy you never wanted nor thought about until now.
There’s a bunch of dirty corporate boots that need a good licking, I’ve heard you’re just the person for the job!
Corporate called: they wanted to congratulate you on spreading your type of crazy to undermine sanity and empower them further.
Get mad, bro. 😌
Anna’s Archive says ‘time is running out’ as ‘knowledge is permanently monopolized on private servers’
Not only that, of course, but easily edited. It’s a “mandala effect” generator. AKA modern gaslighting. They name the thing, point to legitimate examples, then abuse our new “understanding” to cover their crimes. 1984 indeed.
Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
“mandala” effect
You sure you remember that name correctly?
Dang it, they changed it again!
I love where the headline cuts of:
knowledge is permanent - ly monopolized on private servers
Getting rid of physical copies of books so we can be monthly subscription slaves, disgusting
It’s worse than that. I’m sure they’re getting wet dreams about eradicating as many books as possible so that they can finally sell AI slop books at a premium price, claiming that will be “the last way to get something in [author] style!”.
destroying (A) physical copy. in order to copy the (1) copy of a book(which most new already exist as pdf). kinda like how people do it when they scan the book. which has been happening for decades now to make knowledge permanent.
far cry from “destroying all books” which these rage bait titles suggest. we arent standing around a pit of fire.
bigger tragedy is how humans seem shittier at communication as AI learns. probably a more accurate title.
There are many, many non destructive scanning methods. My understanding is that most archival projects are using the non destructive options.
The easy option is to just slice off the binding and run it through a scanner.
The easy option is what is being talked about here, and those books are then fed into AI as training material. The digital copies aren’t “making knowledge permanent” as they are tucked away into a digital corner virtually no one has access to. They are as permanent as the source code for Fortnite.
If a PDF already exists, as you claim, then why go to the trouble of obtaining, destroying and scanning the books again?
Yall keep overreacting to this bs, what’s even a rare book with no other copies, every article I saw says the books were scheduled to be destroyed or taken to a dump, and those are the books they are swooping up. I have a feeling rare means like 1st edition or one with typos or some sht. These are books ppl already weren’t buying that they are grabving in mass. All knowledge and all books aren’t important, plenty of below average intelligence ppl dropping slop long before ai became a thing. Any book that you value obviously already has tons of physical copies and digital backups.
This isn’t them looting some ancient libraries/museums taking some hidden/secret knowledge from humanity like yall are making up in your heads.
every article I saw says the books were scheduled to be destroyed or taken to a dump
Do you have a source for this? Because I’ve seen literally nothing about this being the way books are being sourced. And no offense but this reads way too close to weasel words. For example: Every article I’ve read on the subject says my pants are sentient and enjoys my legs being in them. Also, I’ve read no articles on the subject so that isn’t a lie.
Take your feelings and shove them up your ass clanker
Sorry, I’m having trouble understanding what you’re saying with those boots in your mouth.
Okay hero, defend us all with your words on a social media site with maybe 40,000 ppl max that do nothing, keyboard activists to the rescue
Get mad, bro. 😌
I have a feeling this is click bait…
The headline does not contain any clickbait-typical elements, for instance
- Most of The Words Capitalized
- A question mark at the end
- "You won’t believe’
- etc.
“Then this happened…”
What? Then WHAT happened!?
