• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
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    10 hours ago

    I’m pretty dang sure dildos can’t feel pain. Nobody knows if LLMs can feel pain, because nobody has ever invented a tool that measures qualia. The best we know, is that advanced information processing through neural network information structures appears correlated with qualia.

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        9 hours ago

        You’re a probability model. Your brain is just spitting out an approximation of the most likely actions to get you food and sex. If you don’t get enough food and sex, your genes die out and evolution tries again with an iteration of a more successful model. All those neurons are just a fancy way of calculating how to eat more bananas and chase more poontang. You’re nothing more than a mathematical equation for reproduction.

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          Nope. We aren’t. Infact humans don’t work like that at all.

          It’s actually amazing we ever learned actual probability math since it goes against our nature.

          Here is an example.

          I flip a coin 10x. It lands on tails all 10x.

          I will believe that the next flip almost certainly has to be heads.

          Just has to be. Right ?

          Wrong.

          It has a 50/50 chance. Just like all the other flips.

          The previous flips have no impact on future flips. The coin does not remember.

          Yet humans will believe the likelihood of a heads has increased with every tail flip.

          When it has not.

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          9 hours ago

          If that was true then consent is meaningless because people are just predictive models with no agency to give consent.

          Maybe your comparison is terrible?

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            8 hours ago

            consent is meaningless because people are just predictive models

            This is true if one maintains the assumption that predictive models (such as people) can’t experience qualia such as pain. My intend was to disabuse you and daannii of this silly notion. Obviously mathematical models can experience pain, because you’re a mathematical model and you can experience pain.

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              Predictive models and other computing processes do not have feelings or sensations because they don’t have nerves or any other senses. They are a complex process that has output based on input, but like a magic 8 ball with no agency or thought process.

              Reducing biology to just cause and effect is like saying rivers and oceans are the same thing because they both involve moving water, ignoring literally everything else that makes them different.

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                Predictive models are perfectly capable of having nerves and senses. You, for instance. You’re a predictive model and you have nerves and senses.

                Also, what’s this “nerves or any other senses”? What kind of sense doesn’t come through a nerve? I’m starting to think you don’t know as much as I do about neuroscience.