Today’s article was just a short one, and engaging in what makes everyone roll their eyes: seeing something happen on Reddit and writing an article about it.

To cut it short:

  • Billie Eilish (famous singer) uploaded a picture of her old Nintendo DSi in gallery of images, to her Instagram account
  • Someone shared that on Reddit
  • Half of the comment section slid straight into shitty gamer dude Hell (the other half did not)
  • Some man on Mastodon attacked me
  • Post removed from Reddit when moderators spotted the comments

…this is a fast-forward of the oddness, but if you want to read over my ramble here, and see some shittiness, the link will help:

https://gardinerbryant.com/you-dont-look-like-a-gamer/

I see this shit all the time, and it is not only exhausting, but something no one should see (no matter their identity) should be subjected to. Anyway, read on if you’d like!

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    ok forgive me for being old but they’re saying “larp larp larp” like they’re saying she’s “Live Action Role Playing” being a “gamer” cause she took a photo of her old DS? am I right on that one?

    Misery loves company.

    Whenever I see stuff like this online that’s the first thing I think of. These people are all miserable, depressed, and alone. The most basic and simplistic forms of joy from others sends them into a “woe is me” rage. They then MUST ensure said person or whomever defends said person be brought down into the same misery hole they dug for themselves.

    And you can’t just say “oh just ignore them” I’m sorry but no, you can’t. I’m sure OP has tried taking that route several times but again these peoples entire lot in life is to ensure you become as miserable as they do. so you can’t ignore them.

    So what do you do? you keep living your life. Enjoy whatever the ever living fuck you want to enjoy, post about it online, let the miserable cunts try to knock you down, post more. post A LOT more. infuriate them, let them attack you. respond to their posts with a simple “k.” or “cool story, bro” or “thank you for the feedback!” kell em with kindness or just an out right virtual pat on the head. “great post champ!” all that. Show them that you’re happier then they are and will ever be.

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    I think the telling thing is that these angry gamer dudes are awfully lonely and would kill to have a girlfriend who shared at least some of their interests.

    This kind of self-face punching comes from such a low self esteem that they have to reject the idea for fear of rejection in reality.

    And then they go looking for every other reason to explain their loneliness epidemic.

  • RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
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    Okay I’ve read the article (although probably too fast) and the part where harassment can also be ‘exclusionary humour’ is like. Hit me in the brain.

    I am female and visibly so. I use to frequent a local game store before it closed. And while I was mostly welcomed there (father would have raised hell if anything was overt, he knew the owner well) the amount of inside jokes, the “oh you wouldn’t understand”, “it’s fine” when I’d ask what they were talking about was just :<

    But at least I meet my husband there. He’s cool. He loves sharing nerdy things with me.

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    I grew up hearing that what ever game I enjoyed, “was not a real video game.” And this was IRL, from people I knew and thought as my friends, at the time. If I tried to continue, it turned verbally abusive and my fave games got properly shitted on. So I learned to stay quiet and play only offline games, just play my lil games alone. These days I got real friends who’d like to play with me, but I’m too shy to go online… Like I want to, but just too afraid. It’s really fucking dumb.

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    Growing up, PCs and video games were very much a boys thing and every time I saw someone outed as a girl/woman playing games, I was like “Nice! A unicorn!”.
    And every time they played better than me, I was like “Wow, that’s amazing! Carry me, mommy!”

    So my toxicity went the other way, as in too enthusiastic. Or a simp as some might call it. “Don’t be mean to this rare, mythical creature or she might run away!”

    Now that I’m older, I’ve been tempered somewhat. No longer do i simp biasedly. I can yell out both “Carry me, mommy/daddy!” shamelessly.

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    I fucking hate dudes like this. I’m someone who has “nerdy” interests and such and naturally they tend to be male dominated because people keep gatekeeping and being misogynistic for no reason. I’d love to have to partner with similar interests in this regard but it’s made harder by the fact that the men in the spaces are the way they are and it’s hard to engage in that way without making the person uncomfortable because there’s a precedent for all sorts of weird behavior. And then these same incels complain they are unsuccessful, well please stop ruining it for the rest of us as well. Even in a non dating context having a more diverse hobby means a more diverse experience.

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    Good read! Thanks for sharing your work.

    The comment section (in part) quickly becomes less about the device or shared memories, and more about performance: who is “allowed” to be associated with gaming culture, and on what terms.

    Yuck, disgusting reddit behaviour.

    I’m glad to report that my experience here in the fediverse has been quite plesant as wimmin folk with an interest in discussing games. ! I have to give a shoutout to my favourite comm [email protected] and our wonderful overlord mod @[email protected] and the folks over at the community for creating a cool and welcoming environment for everyone.

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    That’s too bad people can’t behave.

    Mind if I share where I’m grappling with the following from a privacy perspective?

    screenshot of article text: The phrase “did you think anybody here wants to hear about Instagram” isn’t just a personal reaction, it’s doing something shittier than that. It turns this one person’s annoyance into a claim about everyone in the space, as if a single viewpoint can stand in for the whole community.  That jump from “I don’t want this here” to “nobody here wants this” is where it starts to fall apart, because it flattens a group of individuals into one assumed opinion, ignoring the fact that people show up in these spaces with very different interests, tolerances, and reasons for being there.

    I can imagine a privacy hawk making that comment with a deep concern for others and desire to force a very difficult social change.

    I remember someone complained everyone in their life said “I’m not even really on Facebook! …I just use it for <thing everyone uses Facebook for>”

    Maybe I am a bad person to judge because the underlying concern resonates with me, so I can be sympathetic and treat it as hyperbole. (edit: lol it’s so wrong on its face, IG like world’s most popular platform or almost)

    Thank you for your analysis and reporting here!

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    What losers. This is why there are safe places online. All it takes is one weirdo too. Social media, Reddit, even here. Theres a reason you should never reveal your real name on the internet. And aparently gender jeez. Wtf. Gateeeping is strange people. Its a fun thing to do for everyone.

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      Gateeeping is strange people.

      That’s the weird thing. Shouldn’t people be thrilled that someone shared their love of a console? The gatekeeping is just the weirdest part of all of this. The new (and thoroughly shitty thing) is everyone shouting about people ‘larping’. It was all over the Sony PSP communities I scroll through, over the last few months. Why should anyone care what someone else is doing with a console? If someone buys something to use occasionally and look nice on a shelf…why care?!

      I swear if I roll my eyes more at people’s actions they’ll just roll on out of my head.

      edit hah, laughing at the downvote. I know just the kind of person you are!

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        That’s the weird thing. Shouldn’t people be thrilled that someone shared their love of a console?

        This applies to all gaming I feel. We all have a hobby in common, so why be shitty to one another? Like I get light trash talking (about the match specifically at least) but as someone with more CS hours than I care to admit, there are just a lot of unwell, and even just incredibly bitter/unhappy people out there who use games as a means to take it out on others.

        There’s a reason in CS and competitive shooters/games you pretty much never hear women on comms unless they A. Join with you B. Are already in the server with a group of people they know. As an aside being a “gamer” seems to vary wildly from being a title worth protecting from ‘posers’ to derogatory every five seconds. It’s all very reminiscent of the “oh yeah, name their last 10 albums” shit.

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      We need better safe spaces. There we need to put those people, and then lock the doors. Safe.

      Reading again I realized that can be easily misunderstood. I mean those idiots, not the people fleeing from them. Why should people need safe spaces to live their life without any harm to anyone? The others are the ones that should be kept away. You don’t like people that are different? Oh no! Tough luck. Fuck off then. Don’t come back.

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    14 hours ago

    socially inept incel gamer boys feel threatened by girls and women entering “their” space, and communicate in the only way they know how: by lashing out with gamer shittalking. it’s barely a step above toddler temper tantrums. unfortunately no one can force anyone to grow tf up, especially when part of their core identity is as some kind of someone within the anti-woman circlejerk. best practice is to just block them and move on. angry reaction is what they want. fuck that.

    also, wtf is this new “larping” business?

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      also, wtf is this new “larping” business?

      I fucking hate how people throw this word larping around. Like there’s only ‘real gamers’ who can be ‘true gamers’, and if someone doesn’t use a device like them…they’re role-playing? So weird. SO weird. And cringe, too.

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        Maybe by ‘true gamer’ they mean someone whose identity is defined by gaming? Not for me to say whether or not that’s healthy, but it’s certainly extreme. And then going further to link this identity to gender is just weird. I mean, who cares? We’re all just text on the internet to each other, what difference does gender or sexuality or race etc make to gaming? Unless it’s a game that explores those themes, it shouldn’t, but here we are.

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        oh yes they love dividing people into “real/true” gamers and “not” lol

        these miserable children have nothing to offer the world except bitterness and drama. let them fellate each other to the end of time. i’ll be literally anyplace else, doing literally anything else

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      socially inept incel gamer boys feel threatened by girls

      That’s a very outdated way of thinking unless you’ve only hung out in boyzones. It is certainly true in many ways still, but look at the profile pics and usernames, for example.

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        I’m not sure if you’re misunderstanding who you’re replying to, or if I’m misunderstanding you in this reply, but I don’t think they’re saying “all gamers are incels who don’t like girls”, I think they’re saying “all the shitty people reacting poorly are the remaining socially inept incel guys”

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    This guy had a great analysis video, complete with interviews with victims, of toxicity towards female entry into male spaces. He goes historically into how video games were first age-neutral, then Nintendo made them “toys”, and toys were for boys, slowly leading to the space having a toxic exclusivity problem.

    One of the best bits (which I unfortunately don’t have a timestamp for right now) is when he talks about his own experience as a kid, and how he inadvertently tried to exclude a family member when she started playing the game better than him.

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      how he inadvertently tried to exclude a family member when she started playing the game better than him.

      Yep, that is a big part of the reason. There was a study where they showed: the top players weren’t as misogynistic as the bottom players when a woman played with them. So the conclusion is that to a lot of people they are really fragile and lash out because they aren’t as good as they like to be and fear losing ‘status’ if women would join our hobby.

      Sadly I can’t find the study at the moment.

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    People on the internet discriminating around the most irrelevant details.

    You know what grinds my gears? Tooling doesn’t help. In communities like reddit or lemmy, downvotes mean your content will be more hidden. When a dumb-wagon is formed the good content goes to hell. And people use the downvote as a disagree button. It’s annoying.

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    Hey dash! Cool article on an issue worth writing about. Thank you for sharing your own work here.

    I have a question about something that surprised me: did you consider censoring user names of the people you used as examples of negative internet culture? From a perspective of journalistic best practice, I personally feel like this would have been better, mostly since you are making a point about general culture, not specific people. This became noticable to me with the reference to mastodon (less with reddit). Maybe because mastodon feels like more of a personal, less anonymous platform. Also, @f… (no thank you voyager, I won’t tag him here, even if you autocomplete the handle) is more singled out.

    What I want to express is that I feel like that not censoring names detracts from your point of ‘online spaces are bad’ to ‘these people are bad’. This is especially true if the bad actor is a single person, as in the mastodon / ‘shut up about instagram’-section. This is the case in addition to the risk of people reaching out to the posters in question to worsen their day.

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      I like not censoring names. Hold people accountable for their words, name and shame. It’s nothing a decent googler can’t find by searching with quotation marks. People willingly put their posts online next to their usernames, they out to stand by it.

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    Dickheads like this are the reason I don’t like telling people I play games. People that attempt to put others in boxes are the worst

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    Gaming is one of those weird spaces; it mainstreamed in the smartphone era, with a lot of folks who previously mocked it embracing it.

    It’s picked up the toxic manosphere infection as it transitioned (“casual gamers” Vs “real gamers” facilitated that boxing off). The onlyfans “egirl” revolution painted a skewed picture of girls as gamers in the worst possible way (doing it for attention to make money), and the manosphere has amplified this to the detriment of gamers everywhere.

    Gaming also focuses a lot of moral outrage, and that hasn’t helped matters. It’s given some men a ghost to fight against (“the big bad feminist trying to ban waifus”), whereas the reality is far from that!

    The reality is gaming is for everyone who wants to game; the best question to ask another gamer is what they’ve enjoyed playing (for the Ds, the Etrian Odyssey games are amazing!). Not every game is for every person, except for Super Smash on the GameCube, because that game was high art.