I mean… The main reason is people don’t have money for a new car. Also the electrical infrastructure in this country is not ready for everyone to go electric.
The gas and oil industries have paid TONS of money to keep people locked into gas vehicles.
Once again, the rich continue to fuck the rest of us.
Also the electrical infrastructure in this country is not ready for everyone to go electric.
You’re repeating big oil talking points. We improve the grid all the time, we can continue to do it. Sure if all cars were magically converted into EVs tomorrow we would have big problems, but that’s not how the real world works.
If the grid actually was about to fall over because of a few more EVs, these datacenters spinning up all over the place would be even bigger disasters than they already are.
I’m not using big oil talking points. I’m saying in reality, because of the damage that big oil has done to keep us from going electric, the infrastructure is not currently there.
They’ve paid money to keep us from expanding our grid. They are saying it won’t work because they are making sure it doesn’t.
I completely agree with you that I think it is absolutely possible, but there are bigger things blocking the way.
By repeating their talking points, you are arguing that we should slow EV adoption. You are literally doing their work for them. At least if you worked for BP you could cash a pay check, you’re out here working for them for free.
You could also be like James May, who daily drives an EV and has a hydrogen car. And also states that the charging takes too long and it’s not convenient for, say, younger people who cannot afford a house. So anyone under 40 these days.
I’d absolutely get an EV for a daily. But not at the apartment I live at. I literally cannot charge it at home and you’d be wrong if you think I’d go out of my way to have to plan to charge it for longer than it takes to just put gas in an internal combustion car.
You can be critical of something that you want to succeed. I’m probably most critical of things I enjoy, because I know a lot of them can be better.
EV adoption should be increasing, especially for normal daily driver cars. It’ll let the weekend cars live longer as well. Win win.
This is only fresh in my mind because James put out a video, quite literally yesterday, explaining what he does and does not like about his Model 3.
You’ll notice I did not argue against that point at all, not having charging at home is a huge downside and would play a big part in if someone should buy an EV or not.
“OuR gRiD cAN’T taKE iT” on the other hand is not a valid argument
Yes, agreed. That grid nonsense is something you see parroted by people who would never, ever drive an EV in the first place.
In the words of Gene Wilder, “You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”
I am very anti-big oil. I also acknowledge the fact that big oil has fucked us.
I think if we can break away from their stranglehold on the industry, we can expand our grid and make EV happen. We also have a very large country with nothing in the middle. There are states without any electric chargers installed. It’s a very big hurdle.
I never said we should slow EV adoption. If anything, I think they need to give everybody an electric car for free and make solar panels standard everywhere. But that’s not going to happen because of capitalism.
Yeah, you should probably mean what you say and say what you mean when having a conversation. You have no idea what the current state of ev charging infrastructure looks like, but you’re still acting like an expert.
not PC but, I mean I can tell you the state I live in the closest EV charger is an hour away if that helps your data set on infrastructure knowledge. That’s my primary reason I have no current interest in EV. I firmly agree infrastructure is not there at this time for it in this state. Maybe in the future it will but until I can easily charge my car either at work or without an hour detour it’s a hard not happening for me.
being said, it has gotten better over the last few years so maybe soon?
This is a pretend problem. When have EVs ever caused rolling brown outs?
Grid can’t handle the current of all the cars charging at once? Charge them slower. Get a battery bank for your home to smooth out the demand curve. Throw banks of supercaps at fast charging stations. Fix the fucking grid as you go. Use battery banks on the grid to even out demand at any level. Hell, you can use the cars themselves as battery banks and bring back rooftop solar tax breaks
It’s a fake problem, our grid and production do genuinely need work, but in practice EV adoption hasn’t been a limiting factor at all
Get a battery bank for your home to smooth out the demand curve.
I’d advise anyone considering buying a battery bank to look at this one simple metric:
Take the price of the battery bank, divide it by the total number of kWh that the battery bank will source to your electric devices over the battery bank’s lifetime. That should give you a figure of $ per kWh that you can compare with what you currently pay for electricity.
Anytime I have run that exercise, the battery bank is costing me near or more per kWh than I pay for electricity from the grid, even if I am charging the battery for free (which is never the case, even with solar there’s a cost of installation and maintenance.)
If you want the battery bank for grid independence, it’ll do that, but know there’s a cost.
If you live in some crazy demand variable tariff area where you pay $0.20 more per kWh during peak than you do in off hours, the battery may make financial sense for you there, particularly if you can sell power back to the grid at peak tariff rates during peak hours.
Most people: batteries are a waste of effort that don’t save you money, plus they have the added thrill of being a non-zero risk source of a signifianct fire.
It also serves the purpose of a generator, and with solar you might be able to cut your grid draw to basically zero
The fire risk is generally overstated, plus different battery tech, like sodium, are much less flammable. Weight and size are much less of an issue, so as adoption increases they’re going to get much cheaper and longer lasting as production ramps up
Not to mention it does meaningfully reduce load on the grid with increased adoption. Not everything needs to be financially min-maxed… If you’ve got the money, it’s a good thing to invest in
Its actually crazy how little is done for energy efficeny and EV preparedness for high denisty housing in the midwest US to me. There is just next to no incentive for most places because 1 they dont pay for electricty and 2 they dont have to tell potential tenets just how bad the bills tend to be in a place.
The EV preparedness is mostly just the lack of rent seeking potential vs any effort most rental companies are willing to put in.
Theoretically those bastards could be upselling power from meters they installed on the property and be making money from it, but that would require running a buisness with skilled and valued workers and not a constant revolving door of underpaid under trained employees.
The big appeal of EVs isn’t the public charging ports. They are cheaper than gas but not cheap.
Its the outlet at your house. And no despite what marketing says you do NOT have to install a 240V socket. Your existing one is fine for the vast majority of people charging overnight. If you’re commuting to/from work, chances are that non-100% charge will serve just fine.
If you don’t have a way to charge at home though it can be harder to recommend.
Level 1 charging can work for a lot of people, but it ends up needing a lot more mental energy. You have to more carefully calculate capacity/range, daily needs, charging speeds, variances, and unexpected needs. The end result being that it’s not a great experience.
Level 2, even at the slowest speeds, are enough that you can fully recharge most vehicles overnight. And you have enough capacity to last through the day unless you are a super commuter or drive professionally.
I mean… The main reason is people don’t have money for a new car. Also the electrical infrastructure in this country is not ready for everyone to go electric.
The gas and oil industries have paid TONS of money to keep people locked into gas vehicles.
Once again, the rich continue to fuck the rest of us.
If our grid can take on data centers, we can handle EVs my dude.
You’re repeating big oil talking points. We improve the grid all the time, we can continue to do it. Sure if all cars were magically converted into EVs tomorrow we would have big problems, but that’s not how the real world works.
If the grid actually was about to fall over because of a few more EVs, these datacenters spinning up all over the place would be even bigger disasters than they already are.
Got news for you with the Datacenters…
I’m not using big oil talking points. I’m saying in reality, because of the damage that big oil has done to keep us from going electric, the infrastructure is not currently there.
They’ve paid money to keep us from expanding our grid. They are saying it won’t work because they are making sure it doesn’t.
I completely agree with you that I think it is absolutely possible, but there are bigger things blocking the way.
By repeating their talking points, you are arguing that we should slow EV adoption. You are literally doing their work for them. At least if you worked for BP you could cash a pay check, you’re out here working for them for free.
You could also be like James May, who daily drives an EV and has a hydrogen car. And also states that the charging takes too long and it’s not convenient for, say, younger people who cannot afford a house. So anyone under 40 these days.
I’d absolutely get an EV for a daily. But not at the apartment I live at. I literally cannot charge it at home and you’d be wrong if you think I’d go out of my way to have to plan to charge it for longer than it takes to just put gas in an internal combustion car.
You can be critical of something that you want to succeed. I’m probably most critical of things I enjoy, because I know a lot of them can be better.
EV adoption should be increasing, especially for normal daily driver cars. It’ll let the weekend cars live longer as well. Win win.
This is only fresh in my mind because James put out a video, quite literally yesterday, explaining what he does and does not like about his Model 3.
You’ll notice I did not argue against that point at all, not having charging at home is a huge downside and would play a big part in if someone should buy an EV or not.
“OuR gRiD cAN’T taKE iT” on the other hand is not a valid argument
Yes, agreed. That grid nonsense is something you see parroted by people who would never, ever drive an EV in the first place.
In the words of Gene Wilder, “You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”
What would happen if multiple people plugged in toasters every morning at breakfast time? ANARCHY.
The UK has issue with everyone turning on their electric kettle during the ad breaks/half time/whatever they have of football games.
but instead of electrical infrastructure, they follow the US to every war.
My dude is that what I said?
I am very anti-big oil. I also acknowledge the fact that big oil has fucked us.
I think if we can break away from their stranglehold on the industry, we can expand our grid and make EV happen. We also have a very large country with nothing in the middle. There are states without any electric chargers installed. It’s a very big hurdle.
I never said we should slow EV adoption. If anything, I think they need to give everybody an electric car for free and make solar panels standard everywhere. But that’s not going to happen because of capitalism.
So now you’re just lying, maybe I was wrong and you are getting paid to post this.
Name one state with no EV chargers.
Fuck y’all are so fucking pedantic.
Okay, maybe every fucking state has a charger. But some places have not expanded, especially to rural areas.
Jesus fucking Christ. Y’all can’t read extrapolation.
Never comment on anything on the internet. Fucking assholes like y’all chase down every goddamn word.
This is a US map of dots. The dots are charger stations, not individual chargers.
Maybe don’t spout bullshit to make your point and people won’t call you on it?
Just a thought.
I mean you can keep being blatantly wrong and then being a big baby when called on it. It just makes you look like an over-emotional asshole.
Hey bud, thanks for the criticism.
I’m gonna go back to my IRL life now.
Yeah, you should probably mean what you say and say what you mean when having a conversation. You have no idea what the current state of ev charging infrastructure looks like, but you’re still acting like an expert.
not PC but, I mean I can tell you the state I live in the closest EV charger is an hour away if that helps your data set on infrastructure knowledge. That’s my primary reason I have no current interest in EV. I firmly agree infrastructure is not there at this time for it in this state. Maybe in the future it will but until I can easily charge my car either at work or without an hour detour it’s a hard not happening for me.
being said, it has gotten better over the last few years so maybe soon?
Me? An expert? A guy who commented on a Lemmy post??
I said fuck the rich and y’all attacked me for being a shill for big oil.
Get out of here with that bullshit.
This is a pretend problem. When have EVs ever caused rolling brown outs?
Grid can’t handle the current of all the cars charging at once? Charge them slower. Get a battery bank for your home to smooth out the demand curve. Throw banks of supercaps at fast charging stations. Fix the fucking grid as you go. Use battery banks on the grid to even out demand at any level. Hell, you can use the cars themselves as battery banks and bring back rooftop solar tax breaks
It’s a fake problem, our grid and production do genuinely need work, but in practice EV adoption hasn’t been a limiting factor at all
I’d advise anyone considering buying a battery bank to look at this one simple metric:
Take the price of the battery bank, divide it by the total number of kWh that the battery bank will source to your electric devices over the battery bank’s lifetime. That should give you a figure of $ per kWh that you can compare with what you currently pay for electricity.
Anytime I have run that exercise, the battery bank is costing me near or more per kWh than I pay for electricity from the grid, even if I am charging the battery for free (which is never the case, even with solar there’s a cost of installation and maintenance.)
If you want the battery bank for grid independence, it’ll do that, but know there’s a cost.
If you live in some crazy demand variable tariff area where you pay $0.20 more per kWh during peak than you do in off hours, the battery may make financial sense for you there, particularly if you can sell power back to the grid at peak tariff rates during peak hours.
Most people: batteries are a waste of effort that don’t save you money, plus they have the added thrill of being a non-zero risk source of a signifianct fire.
It also serves the purpose of a generator, and with solar you might be able to cut your grid draw to basically zero
The fire risk is generally overstated, plus different battery tech, like sodium, are much less flammable. Weight and size are much less of an issue, so as adoption increases they’re going to get much cheaper and longer lasting as production ramps up
Not to mention it does meaningfully reduce load on the grid with increased adoption. Not everything needs to be financially min-maxed… If you’ve got the money, it’s a good thing to invest in
Charge during non-peak hours. Demand on the grid fluctuates over the day, use it when it’s not in use.
A lot of the US has flat electricity tariff rates 24-7.
That has nothing to do with demand, it has to do with US obsession with privatization.
Even at 25 cents a Kw/hr, that’s $15 a fillup.
Yes, you are. The grid is in no way blocking you. You are repeating propaganda.
As the other guy/girl said, only if everyone switched from one day to the other, you’d have a temporary problem.
How many data centers do you think you need to power a car?
Stop repeating big oil talking points
And also don’t forget charging stations don’t exist, and vast majority of people who live in higher density housing have zero way of charging at home.
Its actually crazy how little is done for energy efficeny and EV preparedness for high denisty housing in the midwest US to me. There is just next to no incentive for most places because 1 they dont pay for electricty and 2 they dont have to tell potential tenets just how bad the bills tend to be in a place.
The EV preparedness is mostly just the lack of rent seeking potential vs any effort most rental companies are willing to put in.
Theoretically those bastards could be upselling power from meters they installed on the property and be making money from it, but that would require running a buisness with skilled and valued workers and not a constant revolving door of underpaid under trained employees.
My apartment building has parking spots with “EV” painted on them but no chargers.
Same feeling like when they painted bicycle lanes on the side of roads and said they built such and such km of bicycle lanes.
The big appeal of EVs isn’t the public charging ports. They are cheaper than gas but not cheap.
Its the outlet at your house. And no despite what marketing says you do NOT have to install a 240V socket. Your existing one is fine for the vast majority of people charging overnight. If you’re commuting to/from work, chances are that non-100% charge will serve just fine.
If you don’t have a way to charge at home though it can be harder to recommend.
Level 1 charging can work for a lot of people, but it ends up needing a lot more mental energy. You have to more carefully calculate capacity/range, daily needs, charging speeds, variances, and unexpected needs. The end result being that it’s not a great experience.
Level 2, even at the slowest speeds, are enough that you can fully recharge most vehicles overnight. And you have enough capacity to last through the day unless you are a super commuter or drive professionally.