The power required to kick out fascists, seize businesses or do any of that stuff can really only come from a socialist revolution. There’s no way the capitalists will let you vote for it, that’s for sure.
Social welfare is not socialism. And also, the only reason Scandinavian countries got social welfare was through massive civil unrest and threatening a worker’s revolution. The welfare was the compromise. They are still capitalist members of the imperial core who fund their welfare through exploitation of the global south.
Also, maybe read histories of the USSR and China that weren’t written by capitalists. They tend to lie about socialism, like a lot.
Frankly, I don’t care about socialism. I care about free healthcare, education, welfare etc.
And also, the only reason Scandinavian countries got social welfare was through massive civil unrest and threatening a worker’s revolution.
Ok, let me educate you a bit here, as I’m actually from one of those countries. In Finland, there was a civil war in 1918 between the reds and the whites. The reds lost big time and the country went to pseudo-fascist mode for almost 2 decades. I’m saying pseudo-fascist, because there was a coup attempt to go full blown Nazi at around 1930. It failed.
During WW2 the country united against the USSR, as almost no one wanted to have any part of that disaster. After the war (and in fact also a bit before IIRC), everyone understood that leftist parties have to be allowed in politics to prevent another civil war, and so leftist policies started to enter legislation. You want to know why? People fucking voted. Now you’re going to argue that the threat of the civil war was the key, but it only allowed the left to enter the game. After that people fucking voted. People need to fucking vote.
They are still capitalist members of the imperial core who fund their welfare through exploitation of the global south.
This is as tiring as having anyone slightly leftist in the US being called a communist. The USSR exploited the shit out of Eastern Europe, somehow that doesn’t count because imperialism is a boogey man.
Also, maybe read histories of the USSR and China that weren’t written by capitalists. They tend to lie about socialism, like a lot.
Nah, I’d stick to something trustworthy. Did you know they had to smuggle information about gulags out of the USSR? Why? Because they didn’t want to acknowledge them. I wonder how trustworthy their history writing is…
Nordic countries are so stable because they import raw resources and cheap consumer goods (which are underpriced because of financial imperialism) from mainly Africa, China, and Russia, and then export monopoly priced machinery, processed goods, and weapons. They literally could not develop if not for the EU getting rich from neocolonialism in Africa.
The main exports of Scandinavian social democracies are cars, industrial machinery, petroleum products, and weapons (mainly Sweden, which is actually one of the world’s largest arms exporters). While they import everything under the sun from the global South. Consumer-based, highly financialized economies are not socialist.
Finland, for example, was broke as hell after being on the losing side of WW2. Did not receive any aid from Marshall plan. Did not receive cheap resources from Africa either. What saved Finland was that the USSR, thanks to it’s terribly ineffective system, was unable to produce decent products, so Finland could sell absolutely everything there in exchange of cheap oil. So communism worked for Finland, not so much for the people of the USSR.
Consumer-based, highly financialized economies are not socialist.
I’m happy to let you define what’s socialist and what’s not. I care more about what countries offer (close to) free healthcare, education and social safety nets.
Hahahaha, thanks for the laughs! TIL Finland was imperialistic towards the fucking USSR! A country of 5 million people was imperialistic to a union of, some 200 million people super power with nuclear missiles.
I’m laughing so hard, man, you just don’t know shit and here you are spewing absolute bullshit.
Still wiping tears here. Jesus, man.
Edit: read the conversation again. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It wasn’t just Finland, it was all of Western Europe and the U.S working together to do things like that. Finland is a tiny part of a larger imperialist bloc.
Never mind the fact that like Finland joined the Axis in a literal invasion of the Soviet Union.
To expand on that chuds will really take to this if you just throw words in like “america first” or “for the people”
2026 has kinda fucked up their brains and they sometimes confuse nationalism with socialism. They still love nationalism so you just work off of that. Once they learn its socalism after they already agreed to it’s already in their head as a good idea and have a harder time walking away from it. If there’s one thing they are bad at its self reflection and admitting they are wrong, so just get that brain worm in there.
If you say you’re making a workers party already you lost majority of the country. If instead you just say we are fixing the country and kicking out Israel and giving the money back to Americans for an american first country, then you got a lot of confused conservatives on your side who are bitter. I’ve unironically heard conservatives say they’ll vote for aoc to “punish” their own party. So things are weird right now and potentially in a advantageous way.
I mean, like you’re literally arguing for like the lib cultural revolution, and restructuring of the government, which definitely requires some sort of takeover, why shouldn’t it be working class? You’re only like 12 steps away from being a Maoist.
If you’re gonna support all that why not just destroy the government and make a worker’s state?
I feel like the word “just” is doing the heavy lifting here.
The power required to kick out fascists, seize businesses or do any of that stuff can really only come from a socialist revolution. There’s no way the capitalists will let you vote for it, that’s for sure.
Read the history of Scandinavian socialist democracies to see how policies such as free healthcare and education can be achieved by voting.
I’ve read the history of the USSR and China, and those revolutions did not achieve anything close to similar. So… Yeah…
Social welfare is not socialism. And also, the only reason Scandinavian countries got social welfare was through massive civil unrest and threatening a worker’s revolution. The welfare was the compromise. They are still capitalist members of the imperial core who fund their welfare through exploitation of the global south.
Also, maybe read histories of the USSR and China that weren’t written by capitalists. They tend to lie about socialism, like a lot.
Frankly, I don’t care about socialism. I care about free healthcare, education, welfare etc.
Ok, let me educate you a bit here, as I’m actually from one of those countries. In Finland, there was a civil war in 1918 between the reds and the whites. The reds lost big time and the country went to pseudo-fascist mode for almost 2 decades. I’m saying pseudo-fascist, because there was a coup attempt to go full blown Nazi at around 1930. It failed.
During WW2 the country united against the USSR, as almost no one wanted to have any part of that disaster. After the war (and in fact also a bit before IIRC), everyone understood that leftist parties have to be allowed in politics to prevent another civil war, and so leftist policies started to enter legislation. You want to know why? People fucking voted. Now you’re going to argue that the threat of the civil war was the key, but it only allowed the left to enter the game. After that people fucking voted. People need to fucking vote.
This is as tiring as having anyone slightly leftist in the US being called a communist. The USSR exploited the shit out of Eastern Europe, somehow that doesn’t count because imperialism is a boogey man.
Nah, I’d stick to something trustworthy. Did you know they had to smuggle information about gulags out of the USSR? Why? Because they didn’t want to acknowledge them. I wonder how trustworthy their history writing is…
Nordic countries are so stable because they import raw resources and cheap consumer goods (which are underpriced because of financial imperialism) from mainly Africa, China, and Russia, and then export monopoly priced machinery, processed goods, and weapons. They literally could not develop if not for the EU getting rich from neocolonialism in Africa.
The main exports of Scandinavian social democracies are cars, industrial machinery, petroleum products, and weapons (mainly Sweden, which is actually one of the world’s largest arms exporters). While they import everything under the sun from the global South. Consumer-based, highly financialized economies are not socialist.
Sure bub, I know the history.
Finland, for example, was broke as hell after being on the losing side of WW2. Did not receive any aid from Marshall plan. Did not receive cheap resources from Africa either. What saved Finland was that the USSR, thanks to it’s terribly ineffective system, was unable to produce decent products, so Finland could sell absolutely everything there in exchange of cheap oil. So communism worked for Finland, not so much for the people of the USSR.
I’m happy to let you define what’s socialist and what’s not. I care more about what countries offer (close to) free healthcare, education and social safety nets.
You are literally describing how imperialism works.
Socialism is when the working class is the ruling class.
Hahahaha, thanks for the laughs! TIL Finland was imperialistic towards the fucking USSR! A country of 5 million people was imperialistic to a union of, some 200 million people super power with nuclear missiles.
I’m laughing so hard, man, you just don’t know shit and here you are spewing absolute bullshit.
Still wiping tears here. Jesus, man.
Edit: read the conversation again. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It wasn’t just Finland, it was all of Western Europe and the U.S working together to do things like that. Finland is a tiny part of a larger imperialist bloc.
Never mind the fact that like Finland joined the Axis in a literal invasion of the Soviet Union.
To expand on that chuds will really take to this if you just throw words in like “america first” or “for the people”
2026 has kinda fucked up their brains and they sometimes confuse nationalism with socialism. They still love nationalism so you just work off of that. Once they learn its socalism after they already agreed to it’s already in their head as a good idea and have a harder time walking away from it. If there’s one thing they are bad at its self reflection and admitting they are wrong, so just get that brain worm in there.
If you say you’re making a workers party already you lost majority of the country. If instead you just say we are fixing the country and kicking out Israel and giving the money back to Americans for an american first country, then you got a lot of confused conservatives on your side who are bitter. I’ve unironically heard conservatives say they’ll vote for aoc to “punish” their own party. So things are weird right now and potentially in a advantageous way.
I mean, like you’re literally arguing for like the lib cultural revolution, and restructuring of the government, which definitely requires some sort of takeover, why shouldn’t it be working class? You’re only like 12 steps away from being a Maoist.