Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
Facts on Suse there
Twelve years in, cloud engineer, have Mint on all my home machines cos i dont have to think about it. I like your chart but its dumb.
I assume Hannah Montana Linux is off the chart to the right
Hannah Montana Linux, or HM/Linux as I’ve taken to calling it, is the sign of true civilization.
Users often achieve enlightenment and can simultaneously interact with many planes of existence - that just can’t be shown on a 2D chart for us plebs.
Starting fights today are we?
Gotta dig in early before the pesky Americans wake up
Brother you posted this at the Americans’ lunch time (or second breakfast for the pacific coasters) ?? They were already arguing and here you come with petrol and a lit match
I am so sick of seeing this ridiculous diagram being labeled the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Go read the actual 1999 paper they wrote. The key takeaway is that the lowest quartile of people tend to overestimate their own performance, and the top quartile underestimate theirs. It doesn’t posit anything like this graph, and this is just an ironic example of ignorance.
And second, I am so sick of seeing these ridiculous distro comparisons. Stop with this elitism, even if done humorously. People of all experience levels can be found using different distros, and they all have unique advantages, disadvantages, and communities built around them. Don’t shame the great effort that people put into maintaining and developing distros, repositories, and packages. A noob can use Arch, and a master can use Ubuntu. Use what appeals to you, and be happy in knowing you can experiment or stick to anything. This is the beauty of FOSS and the Linux ecosystem; it’s a great place for both tinkerers as well as those who want familiarity. There is no one true way.
why is manjaro there twice? it’s a horrible experience no one in their right mind would return to
“Maybe I was the problem?”
they managed to make arch less stable, never update their ssl cert, and every installation slowly falls apart until it’s unusable… sure, I’m the problem
You are, by installing it in the first place.
My system I installed 10 years ago is unusuable now?
“I donated money to them so I am going to use it.”
Although not much, just 20 EUR. Not sure how much the bundled Windows license costs, but surely Microsoft has other ways to earn from spyware.
Nope. The developers are notorious. Look it up bud.
I love my Manjaro. I always come back to it… but I may not be in my right mind.
To be fair, it’s OK. Just you might want to check out EndeavourOS when you need to format your PC again.
I have both and I like them almost equally.
I think I’ve seen this story before. :P
I love that !
Everything is in the “almost” 😅
Fedora is also there twice.
This is perfectly normal.
It also works with a Gaussian: (Noob) haha Fedora go brrr -> (angry advanced) nooo you must use Arch/Nix/Gentoo/Slackware -> (Linus Torvalds) haha Fedora go brrr
Fedora fucked up my PC way more times in a year than Gentoo did in 3.
I’m not leaving Gentoo.
I’ve updated fedora releases for like 10 years with zero issues, even went from one laptop to the other and dd’d three times to new SSDs without reinstalling.
I think it may be you who fucked up your PC.
It was nvidia drivers mostly.
And it was 12 years ago.
Yeah I had lots of problems with Winmodems on Slackware 20 years ago, definitely a bad distro too!
I switched to Ubuntu then and has no issues since.
So yeah.
Look, don’t judge me, but manjaro has been the only distro to just work. I haven’t been fucked by nvidia drivers that I know of, I haven’t had any glaring issues… I’m not saying I disagree with the criticisms, but as a ‘just use the fucking computer’ distro, it’s great.
Manjaro’s fine. Most of their problems were years ago. If it works for you, don’t listen to the mob.
Manjaro is awesome. The hate is not deserved and as you said, everything just works perfectly.
Ragebait
My guess before reading the comments:
“Everyone hated that.”
Mint, and I’ll stay with mint. Perhaps I’m not a good Linux user material, but I just want something that works and doesn’t get into the way. You know: a reliable, unobtrusive operating system.
And there’s no shame in that! Use whatever works for you and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
There is SO MUCH shame in that, the pitiful noob wont even learn to RTFM, and then I’ll have no way to feel superior to them as I dip my beard into my off brand morning cereal #frostedfakes
Mint is just perfectly fine, don’t listen to the naysayers.
As the old observation goes, novices use something like Mint because it’s there, and it works; intermediate users use something like Arch because they want the control to tweak things in the greatest depths; experts use something like Mint because it’s there, and it works.
Same here. I started with mint 10 years ago, fucked around and came back to it.
Not a Dev, but I work in tech, so it does most of the things I want and can tinker with nascent projects without blowing my foot off.
Using mint doesn’t mean you’re bad at Linux using arch doesn’t mean you’re good at it.
Mint is the start and the end for a lot of people for good reason.
I like it because when I have an issue, the ones for Ubuntu and Debian also work.
Mint is fine. If you love it, there’s no reason to leave. Personally, I’m a fan of KDE and I strongly dislike the retro-Windows feel of Cinnamon so I settled on Fedora after Mint dumped its KDE edition.
Same here, played around, but mint keeps pulling me back in. 10+ years going strong
& then people return to PopOS, ubuntu, LinuxMint & Debian.
Full circle, back to Mint
Meh, I’m relatively experienced and just use Ubuntu
That’s because you use your computer and it’s not part of your personality. I’m reasonably well versed in Linux and I’ve used Pop for years.
Is pop maintained? When are they upgrading to the latest Ubuntu and supporting HDR?
It is, but they’ve been working on their new DE Cosmic which should be hitting beta soon.
Is it still not in beta? I was on pop in late 2023 and left for OpenSUSE TW because cosmic was taking too long and they were still on Ubuntu LTS 22.04. and Gnome Extensions broke on me.
Yeah they’re on like alpha 7 I think? That sucks. I hope OpenSUSE is treating you better.
I see it’s just recently been announced about the beta. Great that they’re hearing up for release. I’m in support of what they’re doing I think I realised that I didn’t like Gnome (neither does System76 by the looks!).
OpenSUSE TW with KDE is perfect for me. Not a sexy/flashy distro but it is the most robust rolling release I’ve seen, and maintained by a European company that has been working on it for decades.
Particularly like the QC/staggered addition of packages and YAST.
Love me some SUSE. People forget that it is one of the OG distributions out there. Been trying Linux from time to time but only switched completely from windows earlier this year. Been messing with Fedora and SUSE way back as a teenager. Unfortunately my experience with opensuse was laggy YouTube on a complete fresh install (AMD btw) so I just switched to cachyos which didn’t have any issues (sooo much better than Manjaro IMHO). Still love SUSE… And fedora. These two will always have a place in my tech heart.
Edit for typos from typing on glass.
“Not a part of your personality” then “PopOS, btw”
Uh yeah it’s context because Ubuntu and Pop are on the “beginner” side of there chart.
I’ve been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using
ddon the kernel. I use Ubuntu because I just want something that works, is stable in the LTS sense of the word, and I don’t have to futz with. I’ve heard enough about Mint now that I’ll probably switch over to it when I build my next machine in several years.I’ve been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using dd on the kernel
Wait, is that not how you do it anymore? I swear, I just went through trialing a few more distros, and I dded like crazy.
You might have been using
ddto burn an ISO image onto a USB stick or some such, but sincerely doubt that you were writing just the kernel to the first sector of a 3.5" floppy disk and then booting off of it, while it found your ISA hard drive.Ah, right. Totally different.
Same here, except I switched to Mint a couple years ago. You won’t be disappointed. And if you’re sanguine about waiting until you get a new machine, just go with LMDE.
Been maining Linux mint for 3 years now. I did distrohop once to nobara to see if the grass was greener on the other side, but had to revert due to Nvidia.
… The grass wasn’t green, but tasted exactly the same. Apart from Nvidia (which isn’t a distro issue but more shitty company that can’t make things right), the only noticeable changes is going from cinnamon to KDE.
There’s no “stupid distro” nor “smart distros”. Everything is valid. (Although I’d argue that Linux mint is the best beginner distro, to let people get into Linux gently before eventually trying something else)
I was going to say - what’s wrong with Mint?
I don’t feel the need to switch. Ubuntu serves me well. And I prefer GNOME
How’s the Wayland support in Linux mint?
Available and in active development. You can still use GNOME on mint, BTW.
Debian servers in the streets, Kubuntu desktop in the sheets.
I use Ubuntu on the server too :3
FIFY
I want to see a graph where X ranges from “ambitious” to “I’m so tired”, and Mint is at the end. That’s where I’m at.
Linux experts vastly overestimate the amount of annoyance average people will put up with. Most people just want it to work, and want to learn almost nothing. I don’t blame them, Linux is a means to an end.
Same. Mint was at the start too, though.
tried a few distros before mint because i thought it was less cool or whatever, but then it was the only one i could get working. every few months i try something else and come crying back…
