EV sales are flat or shrinking in the US (but growing extremely quickly outside the US, partially thanks to the Hormuz situation). Tesla’s sales are flat. He’s doing anything possible to show that Tesla has a future.
So, he basically told his talented engineers to take the stabilizing parts of a SpaceX rocket, put them in the body of a car, and pretended that what was demoed is actually vaguely related to something people might be able to buy at some point.
There isn’t a chance that a vehicle with those kinds of thrusters would ever be road legal. You’re basically driving a pretty large bomb around. You crash that vehicle and you don’t just kill yourself, you kill everybody within a pretty large blast radius.
It’s a shame because my wife and I are saving up for an EV but I’m worried by the time we’re ready the models won’t be there. They’re already cutting the Hyundai Ioniq 6. Our top contender.
Y’know if they hadn’t killed off all of their fuel efficient sedan models they’d have a fuel efficient small car to offer the people shocked by gas prices…
People really weren’t buying those though. It’s a hot take, but I think they made the right choice on that one. They followed it up with the wrong choice to not develop hybrid wagons/cross overs. I don’t think anyone saw the return of the minivan.
People stopped buying sedans because the car industry made a concerted effort to demarket them. They’ve been pushing SUVs for nearly 30 years, trying really hard to get people to stop buying sedans and were too successful. Now there’s a fuel crisis and no sedans in production (from American brands at least) so the manufacturers are getting caught with their pants down again
I do wonder if the fleet market is sufficient to keep both sedans and vans in production, since each makes a very competent fleet vehicle platform for different usecases, see the venerable Crown Victoria for example
I’m not sure. I think they were reacting to buyers, not the other way around. I remember the late 90s and early 2000s. SUVs and crossovers were relatively new and exploding in popularity. Partly as a back lash against the “soccer mom” minivan stereotype. I never liked them, but I also never liked sedans. I’m definitely a wagon guy. It’s sad that they all became crossovers.
Don’t be a prick dude. The person mentioned having a wife, that might include kids, and at least they’re looking into getting an EV instead of a 4 door short bed V8 pickup truck that will never see a day of work. Pick better targets
Targets? I lightheartedly suggest someone get an e-bike, and suddenly you think they’re a “target”?
The fact that someone has a wife means that they can’t buy an e-bike on the off chance that they might have kids?
Fuck, man. What the hell is wrong with you? What the hell is wrong with your country. People are so car-brained that merely light-heartedly suggesting an e-bike is considered an attack? You have some serious fucking issues.
Even if they don’t replace a car, they’re great vehicles. They’re fun to ride, you rarely have to worry about traffic jams, they’re cheap to operate, and you can do a lot of your own maintenance.
Does yours have seats on the back? A trailer? I’ve seen a variety of solutions for transporting kids. The trailer is the solution I see most often, and it looks like the most luxurious option for the kids. They often look like they’re some aristocrat being carried on a palanquin, sprawled out and enjoying the ride.
I mean, for me they effectively replace the car. We own one, but since we have the e-bike, I don’t drive at all. I use the trailer for shopping if needed.
And yes, we used the trailer + the small seat behind my seat. Basically all three kids could ride with me, but the battery depletes fast and I am not sure about the general strain put on the bike’s structure with so much weight. The bike is not technically ours but leased from the company my wife works at. In Belgium, at some point the taxes get so high that people choose untaxed benefits at work (like a bike leasing or vouchers, even a company car) instead of salary hikes.
We now own a second e-bike with two separate seats so we can have family trips. We’ll see how it works.
To clarify: I do NOT believe that you can always replace a car with an e-bike. But in the rather wealthy area where we live, the bike infrastructure is great and everything is very walkable, so it is possible to greatly reduce your reliance on cars. The Netherlands are far superior to Belgium in this respect.
But, you should look at yourself if you think that someone is attacking someone else merely by showing them a picture of a cool e-bike. What is wrong in your life that you think that’s an attack? Why are you so incredibly defensive?
It does include kids. And the in-laws are a highway away.
I don’t drive daily to work and use public transit and walk when I can, but we do every now and then need to drive somewhere. The E-Bike doesn’t work there.
The Model X had it under a speaker cover. The model 3 didn’t have it listed in the user manual. Fans discovered under a rubber door pocket cover, you could remove a flushed mounted plastic tab and fish out a pull wire to open the door.
It wasn’t until 2024 that Model 3’s got a door release.
My 2018 has them on the front and rear. I love that car. I wish Elon want a Nazi because I wouldn’t have the shit EV I bought when my wife took over the Tesla.
Very stupid investors?
EV sales are flat or shrinking in the US (but growing extremely quickly outside the US, partially thanks to the Hormuz situation). Tesla’s sales are flat. He’s doing anything possible to show that Tesla has a future.
So, he basically told his talented engineers to take the stabilizing parts of a SpaceX rocket, put them in the body of a car, and pretended that what was demoed is actually vaguely related to something people might be able to buy at some point.
There isn’t a chance that a vehicle with those kinds of thrusters would ever be road legal. You’re basically driving a pretty large bomb around. You crash that vehicle and you don’t just kill yourself, you kill everybody within a pretty large blast radius.
It’s a shame because my wife and I are saving up for an EV but I’m worried by the time we’re ready the models won’t be there. They’re already cutting the Hyundai Ioniq 6. Our top contender.
Companies are scrambling to start making more hybrids and EVs now with gas prices so high and EVs in such high demand.
Y’know if they hadn’t killed off all of their fuel efficient sedan models they’d have a fuel efficient small car to offer the people shocked by gas prices…
People really weren’t buying those though. It’s a hot take, but I think they made the right choice on that one. They followed it up with the wrong choice to not develop hybrid wagons/cross overs. I don’t think anyone saw the return of the minivan.
People stopped buying sedans because the car industry made a concerted effort to demarket them. They’ve been pushing SUVs for nearly 30 years, trying really hard to get people to stop buying sedans and were too successful. Now there’s a fuel crisis and no sedans in production (from American brands at least) so the manufacturers are getting caught with their pants down again
I do wonder if the fleet market is sufficient to keep both sedans and vans in production, since each makes a very competent fleet vehicle platform for different usecases, see the venerable Crown Victoria for example
I’m not sure. I think they were reacting to buyers, not the other way around. I remember the late 90s and early 2000s. SUVs and crossovers were relatively new and exploding in popularity. Partly as a back lash against the “soccer mom” minivan stereotype. I never liked them, but I also never liked sedans. I’m definitely a wagon guy. It’s sad that they all became crossovers.
Buy used. They will still be serviced at repair shops and you can get a 2year old EV for half the price of new.
You could get a more stylish EV.
Don’t be a prick dude. The person mentioned having a wife, that might include kids, and at least they’re looking into getting an EV instead of a 4 door short bed V8 pickup truck that will never see a day of work. Pick better targets
Are you fucking kidding?
Targets? I lightheartedly suggest someone get an e-bike, and suddenly you think they’re a “target”?
The fact that someone has a wife means that they can’t buy an e-bike on the off chance that they might have kids?
Fuck, man. What the hell is wrong with you? What the hell is wrong with your country. People are so car-brained that merely light-heartedly suggesting an e-bike is considered an attack? You have some serious fucking issues.
I have an e-bike adapted for carrying 2 kids that I use daily for kindergarten commute. Can’t recommend it enough. I live in Belgium though.
Even if they don’t replace a car, they’re great vehicles. They’re fun to ride, you rarely have to worry about traffic jams, they’re cheap to operate, and you can do a lot of your own maintenance.
Does yours have seats on the back? A trailer? I’ve seen a variety of solutions for transporting kids. The trailer is the solution I see most often, and it looks like the most luxurious option for the kids. They often look like they’re some aristocrat being carried on a palanquin, sprawled out and enjoying the ride.
I mean, for me they effectively replace the car. We own one, but since we have the e-bike, I don’t drive at all. I use the trailer for shopping if needed. And yes, we used the trailer + the small seat behind my seat. Basically all three kids could ride with me, but the battery depletes fast and I am not sure about the general strain put on the bike’s structure with so much weight. The bike is not technically ours but leased from the company my wife works at. In Belgium, at some point the taxes get so high that people choose untaxed benefits at work (like a bike leasing or vouchers, even a company car) instead of salary hikes. We now own a second e-bike with two separate seats so we can have family trips. We’ll see how it works. To clarify: I do NOT believe that you can always replace a car with an e-bike. But in the rather wealthy area where we live, the bike infrastructure is great and everything is very walkable, so it is possible to greatly reduce your reliance on cars. The Netherlands are far superior to Belgium in this respect.
Well it turns out they do, in fact, have kids. Also maybe drink some water and chill a little.
Who the fuck cares if they have kids. You’re allowed to own an ebike, even if you have kids.
You seem like the one with issues brother…
Because I think it’s ridiculous to be told you’re “targetting” someone by merely suggesting they might want to buy an ebike?
You’re certainly entitled to your opinions and interpretations.
But, you should look at yourself if you think that someone is attacking someone else merely by showing them a picture of a cool e-bike. What is wrong in your life that you think that’s an attack? Why are you so incredibly defensive?
It does include kids. And the in-laws are a highway away.
I don’t drive daily to work and use public transit and walk when I can, but we do every now and then need to drive somewhere. The E-Bike doesn’t work there.
Tesla sold a car for years with no way to open the back seat doors in the event of an emergency.
US regulators allow Tesla to do anything.
There is a way. Not practical, but if you pry off the speaker cover, there is a release cable.
I blame regulators.
The Model X had it under a speaker cover. The model 3 didn’t have it listed in the user manual. Fans discovered under a rubber door pocket cover, you could remove a flushed mounted plastic tab and fish out a pull wire to open the door.
It wasn’t until 2024 that Model 3’s got a door release.
Idea: in case of emergency the user can download a 400 mb app and after login + otp verification can see where is the emergency door opening tab
Strange. Maybe it’s a Europe thing, but my 2020(?) M3 has a little mechanical lever you can pull to open.
I think you are misremembering. I triple checked and there is nothing in the German Manual for rear door release in a 2020 Model 3.
Here is a German YouTuber showing how you can make your Tesla safer by adding a pull to the hidden door release.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QFLq7-wIGCo
In the front seats, right? Everyone (even I agree rightfully so) got mad about the rear passengers not having one.
My 2018 has them on the front and rear. I love that car. I wish Elon want a Nazi because I wouldn’t have the shit EV I bought when my wife took over the Tesla.
Here is a German YouTuber showing how you should add emergency pulls to the model 3 because it doesn’t have them.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QFLq7-wIGCo?is=xzWnVqoox6WpqGrE
Crazy, but that is also not a 3/Y, probably an X, maybe an S? The trunk of the 3/Y doesn’t open into the cabin.
Agreed it is/would be stupid to make a car like that. But my 3 is the best car I have ever driven.
A car that maybe you (or your passengers) can’t get out of and might die is different from a car that’s basically a bomb on wheels.