Yes, pretty insane. It shows how the stock exchange has completely lost contact with reality. At a time where Tesla has lost its leadership position in its market, has only two aging cash cow models on the market, is in the process of losing the most important global EV market to domestic competition and has no credible other big business model, the stock is rising to heights as high as many of its competitors combined with a lot higher sales, revenues and profits (combined). It is all based on flowery promises of the future.
This can go on for quite a while longer but eventually reality always wins.
Yep still a long way down. Enjoy the ride!
It’d be nice to see tsla valued properly. I’d also like to see a European competitor to starlink.
Tanking starlink is a bit of a head scratcher. Cutting off access with that timing seems really boneheaded and short sighted. It had a real chance to be a super surveillance internet 2.0 with constant expensive upkeep.
It’d be nice to see tsla valued properly.
Yes, I would like them to go out of business too. It would also be great to destroy the regulatory capture that blocks much better cars from USA.
As wealthy millionaire living my best life, I’m giving 35 grand to anyone who messages “GRACE” on Telegram @Georgestones12 I understand that many people are struggling with bills, and I want to help reduce that burden. It’s a season of love, kindness, and blessings.
Go pay your taxes instead, dipshit.
Then those people would not be struggling with bills in the first place.
Chinese manufactures are making cars that literally jump over potholes… And I think they’re in production.
Whereas, Elon demos something that will never go to production, is totally useless, and is basically a falling car…
Tesla are so far behind at this point. I bet even the cheap chinese cars don’t leak in their boot
Bose made a suspension that could nullify potholes and jump over small obstacles over 20 years ago.
Yeah, Active Suspension. Unfortunately, never went to production though, apparently because of complexity I think.
The BYD is in production though
China is living in the future, and the best that Elon can do is a shitty demo that would blow you up in a car crash, and which will never be feasible to produce.
Guess which one got attention though?
I have a BYD Dolphin and it is so much better and I can order parts unlike a tesla lol
And the boot doesn’t leak.
I’ve been looking at EVs, and at least here in Australia, I can’t see any legit reasons to pick a Tesla over byd at the moment
My biggest issue though with both is that neither offer a ev designed for 4wd /rough terrain yet (which is why I’m looking trailseeker).
However, it’s more likely byd will get there first.
And yeah, I’m not waiting for this stupid once off flying car thing as an alternative. It was never intended to be production and would never work in a production car (it’s like elons “hyperloop”, yet another overpromise underdeliver)
Depends on what you mean by rough terrain. My country has a lot of unpaved roads and it works on them just fine but I wouldn’t go off-roading it it. It is also pretty much always sunny and doesn’t rain a lot here so the dirt roads stay in ok condition.
I was told for the sealion 7 that the batteries are mounted at the bottom and they’ve had people with punctured batteries. I’ve heard the same thing for Tesla too.
Byd will likely have cars suitable for those environments long before Tesla though.
To me, the flying car was really a vote against looking at Tesla and reminds me of all the other overpromising Elon has done anyway, especially when byd has a working jumping car already
Yeah, although I don’t know about puncturing the battery so much as destroying the rest of the stuff under there. The battery is armored and isn’t supposed to catch fire because of its chemistry. I drive it on paved roads and really compacted dirt roads but definitely avoid potholes and sand. The Atto 3 has higher clearance but it wasn’t available when I bought my car and is still RWD now AWD which is a bummer.
Tesla drivers I see fall into 3 categories:
- 2017 or older: fair enough, and credit for moving to EVs so early!
- 2018-2023: er, Elon seems like kind of a twat. Are you sure? The whole Thai cave thing? But, you know, some benefit of the doubt.
- 2024+: You are supporting a literal Nazi.
Just wait until the the tesla model 2 hits the market. You will see a wave of Nazi supporters lining up at his door.
I am pissed off that Tesla still make the best electric cars. I want to change over but nothing compares. (In EU)
So I will keep my own car going for a few more years.
Kia, Hyundai, Volvo, Polestar, Porsche all have EVs that match or even beat Tesla’s offering outside of Full Self Driving and sentry mode. I recently saw a youtube video of a Chinese EV that navigated Amsterdam on it’s own. https://youtu.be/egs_P0bO2AE So yeah Tesla won’t have the monopoly on full self driving for long.
Renault has better EVs in every aspect.
not even renault says that
Citation needed. What makes it the best EV for you? I know several models I’d prefer over model y or 3.
Which ones? I’d love alternatives!
You didn’t specify the model we should compare. But model y is beaten by multiple German and Chinese models like glb, ix3, xpeng g6 and smart #5 just to name a few.
So what? Most people aren’t driving a Ferrari either. Just get a normal car instead.
I have a normal car. But what if I want electric? What should I get?
Where in the world are you, what sort of car size/shape are you looking for? How often do you drive more than 200km a day?
That is not quite true though. While they indeed still make (2) good car models there are alternatives on the market that can rival them and those alternatives can do so while actually having real buttons, that you don’t have to take off the eyes from the road just because you want to adjust the A/C or whatever, oh and real door handles can be had then too. If you really wanted to leave Tesla, you could. That said, I don’t see the point in selling a perfectly good car in working condition for such reasons. What difference does it make if someone else is driving it and if no one is driving it it is a waste of resources.
The lack of real buttons is hardly the problem with those vehicles. Maybe for some/many people but I find that argument excessively nit-picky. You can adjust temperature perfectly fine in a Tesla without looking. Not that I normally need to touch it at all.
I bought my Tesla in 2022. After 4 years with it, the lack of real buttons and burying controls under touchscreen menus is the primary reason why I’ll never buy another Tesla. When I do replace my Tesla it will be with another EV, but not a Tesla EV.
It seems Chinese vendours are almost as bad as Tesla in this regard. However, European (maybe also South Koreans, I don’t know) largely coming back to physical controls for key features (and also real haptic buttons, not cheapo-touch buttons) though.
That argument carries enough weight that EURONCAP safety rating requires physical buttons for key features:
"Under the Safe Driving section of Euro NCAP’s safety rating, the key driving controls – indicators, windscreen wipers and washer, hazard warning lights, horn and eCall emergency button – should be operated by a direct physical input rather than hidden within a menu on a touchscreen. "
The “it doesn’t effect me” crowd is of the same kind that says, that controlling a phone during driving, doesn’t effect them or that they can drive just as safe after non-excessive alcohol consumption.
In the US I see good alternatives. But in the EU with the same range and features? What exists?
My friends bought a Renault and it’s amazing but it doesn’t have the range that a model 3 has.
Also, the Renault Scenic E-tech 89 kWh has a comparable range for example, so does the Kia EV4. Prices are comparable too.
When’s the last time you looked? Hyundai Ioniq 5 / 6, BMW i4, Xpeng G6 for example come to mind. Bonus: they’re on an 800V platform so loading from 10% - 80% is like 14 minutes compared to ~25 minutes for a model 3
Zeekr 7X also
I quite appreciate the visceral dislike that people have for Tesla. Given that we see their products directly in our everyday lives, I certainly don’t blame people for reacting this way, and I’m happy to encourage this sort of scrutiny, especially over the longer term. I sometimes think, though, that the zeitgeist is missing some of the deeper damage that Musk’s enterprises are inflicting. I don’t think there’s nearly enough journalism about the ongoing effects of DOGE cuts, for example.
And then there’s SpaceX. In all the anger over the throttling of Starlink (“Starshield”) for the defenders in Ukraine, I haven’t seen a single note of awareness about Starlink and LEO satellite megaconstellations being inherently harmful (regardless of who launches them). Aside from the increased orbital collision risk, the atmospheric pollution, and the blinding of astronomical facilities (including asteroid defense), there’s the threat to the ozone layer from all that reentering aluminum. All of which will only increase as lunatics continue to use near-orbital space as their dumping ground.
It’s a powerful metaphor for our time. When it comes to Tesla, I think there’s a good company in there, somewhere. And SpaceX absolutely employs some of the best aerospace talent on the planet, capable of advancing legitimate science and exploration in space. And yet, so many brilliant folk are caught up employing their skills in juvenile displays like flying car stunts and planet-encircling rings of disposable satellites.
I haven’t seen a single note of awareness about Starlink and LEO satellite megaconstellations being inherently harmful
I’ve seen many notes of awareness about this. Ofc capitalist media won’t cover it, but maybe you’re not looking in the right places.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65969131
SpaceX absolutely employs some of the best aerospace talent on the planet, capable of advancing legitimate science and exploration in space.
Now do lockheed-martin.
We are so upset about specific evil things that Musk or his companies do that we miss to be upset about all their other failings. Well said. His whole empire should collapse, and if that means that “we” can only launch 100x per year instead if 1000 times, that’s a price we can very well pay.
Demo had to be AI slop. Complete BS.
Eh, it could’ve been but on the other hand, the design is plausible. Stupid, but plausible.
Basically a space craft lander themed as a car.
Note that even by Tesla standards, they said no one could even ask for that car and that car would never be street legal. They did send have waving around whether the limited mid tier car would be street legal by saying it was contingent on your local regulations for thrusters on cars, which is a long way to say it wont be street legal either.
Even though they say the lowest end will be street legal, that active down force system says otherwise.
But a promised production date in 2 years in Tesla time means we went be seeing it for a long time, if ever.
Up from September 28th.
And down 12% from April, down 19% from January, down 7% from Monday.
I can pick arbitrary dates for comparison too.
However since the currently relevant topic is what that stunt did for Tesla, this graph is more specifically on target.
You were so close to getting it, it’s highlighting the irrelevancy.
Yeah ppl love sharing these 1 day drops as if it won’t be completely recovered in a month. The whole thing is a huge rigged casino they know those price drops are just to shake down the poor’s for whatever they have left. Tsla is still ridiculously over valued but good luck shorting them, this is not a rational market based in reality.
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It is pretty much exactly where it was on September 28th. Tesla’s market evaluation has traditionally very little to do with reality anyway.
Crazy to think how many lives could be saved from hunger by even a fraction of the money that it took to develop this Little Dick Energy stunt show.
Stock market is always weird to think about.
Just a fraction of the rich peoples’ gambling money can make imaginary industries with no profit like chatbots stay alive.
Their combined wealth is at levels of a post-scarcity society and they keep using it in dumb ways.
When there are no consequences people do some fucking bonkers things
Richwhitemen have always been shielded from consequences, unfortunately.
That’s why Tesla is in govt-funded SpaceX now.
That demo was almost literally jumping the shark, just need to drop a blahaj in the middle
I thought those submarine incident already taught those snobby high ass of group to not ride dangerous thing nor making another one , but hey if there are customer want to spend big bucks to off themselves , it is a market to tap.
Youre telling me that cancelling 2 of its models and introducing this model, which is priced around s $200,000 and will probably never see the road as is because of safety reasons, will make the company stock go down?
Who can afford a 200k car?
they cancelled something? idk I don’t use xitter
They don’t make the model s or the model x anymore
It’s not about shitty, unsafe nor overpriced cars. It’s about musk being one of biggest nazi holocaust continuation contributor.
