Yeah I agree the manosphere is more analogous to astrology, but I’m also guessing there’s a much higher percentage of manosphere believers that never actually go on dates to even discuss their ideas and culty beliefs, compared to any blockchain based technology, which almost all actively dating douchebags participate in and no doubt talked about on actual dates.
The amount of times I’ve asked a crypto bro to tell me exactly what The Blockchain is and them being able to actually lucidly explain it is exactly 0, in my experience.
I know there’s science somewhere in there, but the loudest enthusiasts I’ve come across treat it like magic.
It’s really not that interesting unless you’re specifically into cryptography, and then it’s like, kind of interesting for 20 minutes. I remember when “the blockchain” first came out people were talking about lots of potential uses (secure online voting was the only one that comes to mind) besides scamming people and selling illegal stuff, but of course none of those ever materialized.
it’s not magic, it’s just really boring and stupid if you explain it well.
it’s just a decentralized authentication network built on cryptography algorithms. but i guess if you don’t know what any of those words mean it seems mysterious. you need a baseline understanding of networking and cryptography, and well, very few people have that.
I remember when in my undergrad almost my entire class spent their entire second year learning about blockchain and attending events related to it, and I was proud of myself for playing videogames all day instead. Nobody even talks about blockchain anymore. It’s a waste of compute, and most things built on top of it are a grift. There must be some useful cases, but none I can think of. Maybe someone with more experience in Industry can.
You missed the context that they were proud to avoid learning about a technology that ended up being a waste of time. I imagine they would have preferred going to class and learning about something real, it sounds like they just skipped the blockchain stuff. They’re flexing about being more prescient than most of his peers (and professors!), and they’re not wrong. 90% of strategy is knowing what not to do.
The idea of an international independent currency that can be made use of anonymously and therefore not controlled by anyone is a great idea.
Most smaller coins are just scams, reimplementing the same protocols that earlier schemes did and eventually adopting a clear pump & dump characteristic.
However, I personally believe that bigger coins like etherium that don’t fold as quickly and stick around are genuinely a good idea.
Moreover, there’s use cases where transactions are tracked for different systems, for example tracking an interconnected energy grid and usage of households.
And then you also have to consider that block-chains themselves can just be used to keep a fulsome record of something, with the main goal of decentralizing control over that record. I’m sure there will be quite a few use cases for it that make more sense and it’s quite a shame the stigma of crypto got attached to it.
If you wanna learn more about how block chains are actually researched, you have to dive into academic publications, but then you will find out scientists have a very different vision for this technology which is way more useful. And for the sake of actual science, I hope they don’t get buried under the stigma of crypto, because oftentimes these are just very smart people with lots of passion for something that they genuinely see value in.
First of all, it’s not guaranteed that it’ll say “not controlled by anyone”. For example the arms race of something like bitcoin mining leads to mining becoming unprofitable to anyone not building massive mining farms. The efficiency of mining leads to bigger control over the proof of work so there’s a natural centralization of control happening with proof of work. And proof of stake isn’t saving anyone either because that just opens the door to a different kind of centralization of control. Give it another 50 years and currencies like etherium will also be centralized. With all of the negatives and none of the benefits of centralization.
And that’s the other point, I don’t think an internationally independent currency is that great of an idea. At least I don’t think it’s better than a currency with a central authority. For example central authorities manage the inflation (or in case of crypto currencies the deflation) of the currency to keep is stable and usable. Central authority also keeps oversight of illegal activities, the lack of that oversight is why crypto is popular with the black market. You also get certain consumer-protections which you’re unlikely to get with crypto because there’s no authority to enforce them, for example if your account gets hacked or stolen you’re fucked while banks would freeze your account and reverse transactions. And of course there’s taxation, which I can’t imagine how that would even happen with crypto.
I’m not saying blockchain itself is a useless technology, but I have don’t believe it’s usable as a currency. I also have some serious reservations in its use elsewhere because I have a hard time imagining where it would be better than a traditional database solution.
Yes, a centralized currency can have consumer protections. What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance. Central banks also get to dictate who/what you get to spend your money on. Which is why blockchain is popular with those who oppose fascists. The government doesn’t like Wikileaks, well, they get to block payments.
Countries manage currencies for their own ends, not for the benefit on its citizens. Plus, how much violence is the central bank willing to inflict to fulfill its ends? Your whole post ignores the long history of truly awful behavior from governments in order to keep the power of money under their control.
What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance.
I’ll make a very simple argument here, don’t elect corrupt officials who use institutions meant to work for you against you. You may not like that argument and that’s fine because I’m not here to argue that argument. Instead we’re going to discuss what is you argument when the centralized cabal of your blockchain currency steals your balance? Outside of forking the chain and hoping it gets accepted you’ve got nothing. You don’t get to choose who takes over and you have no way of holding them accountable. Before you claim this is impossible go look up Steem. That chain got hard forked into Steem and Hive and of the two Steem, which experienced a hostile takeover, is doing better than Hive, the community fork. People who opposed Steem got cut from the chain. Now, if crypto was a real currency for the sake of stability one of the two forks would have to be chosen (otherwise you end up with fork after fork), who is to say your money won’t just get wiped because you ended up on the wrong side of the fork? Who is going to give you that money back? The same way your money gets wiped whatever transaction you want to do can also get wiped if whoever controls the chain decides so.
And I’ll reiterate. My point wasn’t that FIAT currencies are the best thing ever, my point was that they’re better than the blockchain alternative because you end up with all the bad of the FIAT currency with none of the good.
Also, crypto and blockchain has an ENORMOUS negative ecological and energetic impact; I think that AIs are worse on that, but I’d still say that if AIs are the number one, cryptos are the number two.
And then you have the worst part: incel cryptobros, the face of crypto. And with them, lots of scams (even within stablished coins), sects and all kind of grotesque things like that.
Moreover, crypto is somewhat exclusionary and elitist, because it assumes that you have a somewhat decent hardware that, with the current hardware problems, isn’t the case anymore for almost anyone, and even before that, a lot of folks hadn’t the opportunity. Yet it’s said to be democratic and free (as in Freedom). There’s a clear contradiction.
It is easy to claim don’t elect corrupt officials except governments all around the world are corrupt. Government corruption is the common outcome, not a rare occurrence.
If a blockchain gets forked people who held coins before the fork now have coins in both forks. Your story involves a fundamental misunderstanding.
It is easy to claim don’t elect corrupt officials except governments all around the world are corrupt. Government corruption is the common outcome, not a rare occurrence.
Now what did I say about that? Oh right:
You may not like that argument and that’s fine because I’m not here to argue that argument. Instead we’re going to discuss what is you argument when the centralized cabal of your blockchain currency steals your balance?
What else did you have?
If a blockchain gets forked people who held coins before the fork now have coins in both forks. Your story involves a fundamental misunderstanding.
Hmm, seems like I also addressed that.
People who opposed Steem got cut from the chain.
I wonder what I meant by that? Could it be that it means the people who opposed Steem had their entire balance wiped from the Steem side of the fork? Well, with your impeccable logic that clearly can’t be the case, clearly people doubled their coins and in doing so doubled their money. I wonder why all the scam coins haven’t figured out your infinite money glitch, just fork it to double the coins and double the worth?
Or you know, alternatively, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
We kind of just like… pick and choose who ever we want to consider white.
I suspect if I went around saying Russians are white people like Americans like South Africans, and like French people. Many people would give me the: 🤨
Finally. These are some of my favorite kind of white girls.
I prefer dark hair but I am a sucker for pale skin.
It’s ok to be casually racist against white people because it’s “punching up”. Which implies white people are superior. Which is racist against non-whites wait…
And that poor WHITE boy is still going to have more privelage than a poor black one. Gee, maybe it’s like, some sort of spectrum and not quite so… black and white.
In the same way I feel bad for all the women out that had to put up with conversations about crypto for the last decade, the astrology for dudes
This made me look up astrology crypto and I tremendously regret it
The Manosphere/alpha/beta/sigma BS is the real astrology for guys. Crypto is not a pseudo science its just gambling.
Yeah I agree the manosphere is more analogous to astrology, but I’m also guessing there’s a much higher percentage of manosphere believers that never actually go on dates to even discuss their ideas and culty beliefs, compared to any blockchain based technology, which almost all actively dating douchebags participate in and no doubt talked about on actual dates.
The amount of times I’ve asked a crypto bro to tell me exactly what The Blockchain is and them being able to actually lucidly explain it is exactly 0, in my experience.
I know there’s science somewhere in there, but the loudest enthusiasts I’ve come across treat it like magic.
There is! It looks something like this…
😬
Okay I felt bad for everyone who was too lazy to search so here’s how it works.
It’s really not that interesting unless you’re specifically into cryptography, and then it’s like, kind of interesting for 20 minutes. I remember when “the blockchain” first came out people were talking about lots of potential uses (secure online voting was the only one that comes to mind) besides scamming people and selling illegal stuff, but of course none of those ever materialized.
it’s not magic, it’s just really boring and stupid if you explain it well.
it’s just a decentralized authentication network built on cryptography algorithms. but i guess if you don’t know what any of those words mean it seems mysterious. you need a baseline understanding of networking and cryptography, and well, very few people have that.
Crypto really is the astrology of white guys isn’t it.
I remember when in my undergrad almost my entire class spent their entire second year learning about blockchain and attending events related to it, and I was proud of myself for playing videogames all day instead. Nobody even talks about blockchain anymore. It’s a waste of compute, and most things built on top of it are a grift. There must be some useful cases, but none I can think of. Maybe someone with more experience in Industry can.
Proud to be ignorant and play video games rather than learn. Perhaps if you actually got an education you’d know better.
You missed the context that they were proud to avoid learning about a technology that ended up being a waste of time. I imagine they would have preferred going to class and learning about something real, it sounds like they just skipped the blockchain stuff. They’re flexing about being more prescient than most of his peers (and professors!), and they’re not wrong. 90% of strategy is knowing what not to do.
I didn’t miss that they are proud to not learn about blockchain. They are most certainly not correct.
I mean, I did complete my undergrad…
This might be controversial but hear me out:
The idea of an international independent currency that can be made use of anonymously and therefore not controlled by anyone is a great idea.
Most smaller coins are just scams, reimplementing the same protocols that earlier schemes did and eventually adopting a clear pump & dump characteristic.
However, I personally believe that bigger coins like etherium that don’t fold as quickly and stick around are genuinely a good idea.
Moreover, there’s use cases where transactions are tracked for different systems, for example tracking an interconnected energy grid and usage of households.
And then you also have to consider that block-chains themselves can just be used to keep a fulsome record of something, with the main goal of decentralizing control over that record. I’m sure there will be quite a few use cases for it that make more sense and it’s quite a shame the stigma of crypto got attached to it.
If you wanna learn more about how block chains are actually researched, you have to dive into academic publications, but then you will find out scientists have a very different vision for this technology which is way more useful. And for the sake of actual science, I hope they don’t get buried under the stigma of crypto, because oftentimes these are just very smart people with lots of passion for something that they genuinely see value in.
First of all, it’s not guaranteed that it’ll say “not controlled by anyone”. For example the arms race of something like bitcoin mining leads to mining becoming unprofitable to anyone not building massive mining farms. The efficiency of mining leads to bigger control over the proof of work so there’s a natural centralization of control happening with proof of work. And proof of stake isn’t saving anyone either because that just opens the door to a different kind of centralization of control. Give it another 50 years and currencies like etherium will also be centralized. With all of the negatives and none of the benefits of centralization.
And that’s the other point, I don’t think an internationally independent currency is that great of an idea. At least I don’t think it’s better than a currency with a central authority. For example central authorities manage the inflation (or in case of crypto currencies the deflation) of the currency to keep is stable and usable. Central authority also keeps oversight of illegal activities, the lack of that oversight is why crypto is popular with the black market. You also get certain consumer-protections which you’re unlikely to get with crypto because there’s no authority to enforce them, for example if your account gets hacked or stolen you’re fucked while banks would freeze your account and reverse transactions. And of course there’s taxation, which I can’t imagine how that would even happen with crypto.
I’m not saying blockchain itself is a useless technology, but I have don’t believe it’s usable as a currency. I also have some serious reservations in its use elsewhere because I have a hard time imagining where it would be better than a traditional database solution.
Yes, a centralized currency can have consumer protections. What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance. Central banks also get to dictate who/what you get to spend your money on. Which is why blockchain is popular with those who oppose fascists. The government doesn’t like Wikileaks, well, they get to block payments.
Countries manage currencies for their own ends, not for the benefit on its citizens. Plus, how much violence is the central bank willing to inflict to fulfill its ends? Your whole post ignores the long history of truly awful behavior from governments in order to keep the power of money under their control.
I’ll make a very simple argument here, don’t elect corrupt officials who use institutions meant to work for you against you. You may not like that argument and that’s fine because I’m not here to argue that argument. Instead we’re going to discuss what is you argument when the centralized cabal of your blockchain currency steals your balance? Outside of forking the chain and hoping it gets accepted you’ve got nothing. You don’t get to choose who takes over and you have no way of holding them accountable. Before you claim this is impossible go look up Steem. That chain got hard forked into Steem and Hive and of the two Steem, which experienced a hostile takeover, is doing better than Hive, the community fork. People who opposed Steem got cut from the chain. Now, if crypto was a real currency for the sake of stability one of the two forks would have to be chosen (otherwise you end up with fork after fork), who is to say your money won’t just get wiped because you ended up on the wrong side of the fork? Who is going to give you that money back? The same way your money gets wiped whatever transaction you want to do can also get wiped if whoever controls the chain decides so.
And I’ll reiterate. My point wasn’t that FIAT currencies are the best thing ever, my point was that they’re better than the blockchain alternative because you end up with all the bad of the FIAT currency with none of the good.
Also, crypto and blockchain has an ENORMOUS negative ecological and energetic impact; I think that AIs are worse on that, but I’d still say that if AIs are the number one, cryptos are the number two.
And then you have the worst part: incel cryptobros, the face of crypto. And with them, lots of scams (even within stablished coins), sects and all kind of grotesque things like that.
Moreover, crypto is somewhat exclusionary and elitist, because it assumes that you have a somewhat decent hardware that, with the current hardware problems, isn’t the case anymore for almost anyone, and even before that, a lot of folks hadn’t the opportunity. Yet it’s said to be democratic and free (as in Freedom). There’s a clear contradiction.
It is easy to claim don’t elect corrupt officials except governments all around the world are corrupt. Government corruption is the common outcome, not a rare occurrence.
If a blockchain gets forked people who held coins before the fork now have coins in both forks. Your story involves a fundamental misunderstanding.
Yeah, no.
Excellent reading comprehension on your part.
Now what did I say about that? Oh right:
What else did you have?
Hmm, seems like I also addressed that.
I wonder what I meant by that? Could it be that it means the people who opposed Steem had their entire balance wiped from the Steem side of the fork? Well, with your impeccable logic that clearly can’t be the case, clearly people doubled their coins and in doing so doubled their money. I wonder why all the scam coins haven’t figured out your infinite money glitch, just fork it to double the coins and double the worth?
Or you know, alternatively, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
I have no idea why you are bringing racism into this.
To my understanding white isn’t really a race.
We kind of just like… pick and choose who ever we want to consider white.
I suspect if I went around saying Russians are white people like Americans like South Africans, and like French people. Many people would give me the: 🤨
Finally. These are some of my favorite kind of white girls.
I prefer dark hair but I am a sucker for pale skin.
It’s ok to be casually racist against white people because it’s “punching up”. Which implies white people are superior. Which is racist against non-whites wait…
… that’s like saying billionaires are superior, because you punch up at them. It’s not about being better, it’s about privilege.
rich white men are privileged.
poor whites, are not privileged.
and there are way more poor white people than rich white people.
Poor whites are still white. Yes they’re still privileged.
cool, go trade places with a poor white boy in louisana and see how much ‘privilege’ that life brings.
I’m sure you will love the lack of education, economic opportunity, and the backwards culture you’re brought up in that you can’t escape.
oh, you don’t want ot make that trade? gee, maybe because you’re more privileged than they are…
More privelage than a black guy living in Louisiana.
Clutch them pearls.
Anyone reading this. Make friends with black immigrants, specifically black women and then let’s talk about privilege.
And that poor WHITE boy is still going to have more privelage than a poor black one. Gee, maybe it’s like, some sort of spectrum and not quite so… black and white.
Hmm this gives me an idea…
Ladies, who would like to invest in your sign? The of course you will have to compete for investments against the other birth signs I also represent…
And, just like that, Astrocoin was born.