This is why I’ll never believe the claim that AI will save humanity. It may well give the answers to “save us” but we already know the answer. We just don’t care. We’re not going to listen to AI if we don’t listen to ourselves.
I’m not sure if there is some subtext being lost, but if your point is that we should trust AI with how to ‘save us’, then why aren’t you following it right now? It’s perfectly happy to offer an answer and it will even sound very convincing. But there is no reason to think it actually has the correct answer, or even knows what the problem is.
No, my point is that even if the AI was 100% correct and gave humanity the best advice to solve all of our problems, we still wouldn’t follow it. Because we don’t want to. We live in a society that’s broken on purpose, and a lot of people want to keep it that way, and have convinced a great many people to support things against humanity’s own interest.
If an AI was provably 100% correct then I guarantee you people would listen to it.
People seek for god & other higher powers for much less reasonable logic than “a machine that is always correct no matter what”.
The reality is AI as it’s known today (generative stochastic models) can not ever reach “100% correct”, by definition of being a generative stochastic model. So you’re essentially discussing a fantasy computer that we are not close to every having IRL -> It’s not relevant.
Disagree. The AI will say things like taxing the rich more or preserve nature etc. Society won’t listen to that, or more precisely won’t follow this advice, because the deciders do not like this idea.
Im just hoping that the LLMs that are trained to push views that are at odds with reality struggle with basic reasoning, making them inferior models to LLMs trained on a more diverse worldview. I hope.
My guess is we will see some less convenient models, that gives better result but a “weird” way ; and far more very convenient models, easy to use, but that generate advertisings as a result (maybe even with promo codes!)…
Remember how internet search have evolved, how youtube has became, how everything went when finance guys decided it was time for harvest…
Now look at this new field, see how they grow it… what are the odds their plan is to harvest it at some point?
That’s not true. For less than $15k and a high electricity bill, you can train and run very powerful AI models yourself, today. And you have broad choices of which open weight model to run. And it’s easy to switch them out. No “they” in the mix at all
nor do they have extra money to pay high electricity bills NOR pay for good information feeds to feed the model
for now. “They” are just beginning the legislative process. In 20 years what will the landscape lookblike? What kinds of blocks, filters, gov reporting will be mandated?
I’m keen on local models but prices are getting out of hand. I insured my workstation recently for more than twice what I built it for, because it’d cost that to rebuild it with identical parts.
This is why I’ll never believe the claim that AI will save humanity. It may well give the answers to “save us” but we already know the answer. We just don’t care. We’re not going to listen to AI if we don’t listen to ourselves.
It’s a language calculator. It has no intrinsic incentive to tell the truth, it just processes words.
There is no reason to trust AI’s reasoning on what could “save us” even if it offered one.
Thanks for proving my point :)
I’m not sure if there is some subtext being lost, but if your point is that we should trust AI with how to ‘save us’, then why aren’t you following it right now? It’s perfectly happy to offer an answer and it will even sound very convincing. But there is no reason to think it actually has the correct answer, or even knows what the problem is.
No, my point is that even if the AI was 100% correct and gave humanity the best advice to solve all of our problems, we still wouldn’t follow it. Because we don’t want to. We live in a society that’s broken on purpose, and a lot of people want to keep it that way, and have convinced a great many people to support things against humanity’s own interest.
If an AI was provably 100% correct then I guarantee you people would listen to it.
People seek for god & other higher powers for much less reasonable logic than “a machine that is always correct no matter what”.
The reality is AI as it’s known today (generative stochastic models) can not ever reach “100% correct”, by definition of being a generative stochastic model. So you’re essentially discussing a fantasy computer that we are not close to every having IRL -> It’s not relevant.
Disagree. The AI will say things like taxing the rich more or preserve nature etc. Society won’t listen to that, or more precisely won’t follow this advice, because the deciders do not like this idea.
Right, its answer would be a distillation of what humans have written on the topic of how to save us.
a highly curated selection that panders to the views of the AI’s sponsors
We are not yet at the point LLM are so dependent on advertising and “partnerships” that they are totally biased in favor of specific brands… not yet…
Take a time to anticipate how the actual state will soon be regreted…
Im just hoping that the LLMs that are trained to push views that are at odds with reality struggle with basic reasoning, making them inferior models to LLMs trained on a more diverse worldview. I hope.
My guess is we will see some less convenient models, that gives better result but a “weird” way ; and far more very convenient models, easy to use, but that generate advertisings as a result (maybe even with promo codes!)…
Remember how internet search have evolved, how youtube has became, how everything went when finance guys decided it was time for harvest…
Now look at this new field, see how they grow it… what are the odds their plan is to harvest it at some point?
Some people will even argue with regular number calculators.
The AI that they let us have will only know the information they have approved.
That’s not true. For less than $15k and a high electricity bill, you can train and run very powerful AI models yourself, today. And you have broad choices of which open weight model to run. And it’s easy to switch them out. No “they” in the mix at all
99% of people do not have 15k to spend on AI
nor do they have extra money to pay high electricity bills NOR pay for good information feeds to feed the model
for now. “They” are just beginning the legislative process. In 20 years what will the landscape lookblike? What kinds of blocks, filters, gov reporting will be mandated?
If in 20 years time having a graphics card is illegal, y’all might as well go ahead and collectively commit sudoku as a nation.
Between phones, tablets, and data centers the age of mass market affordable PC parts is fading.
Hope it rebounds but idk.
I’m keen on local models but prices are getting out of hand. I insured my workstation recently for more than twice what I built it for, because it’d cost that to rebuild it with identical parts.
My graphics card, which I bought used, is now worth more than the entire rest of my computer was new. This is nuts!