• schipelblorp@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    2 days ago

    Espionage is one leg of the three-legged stool of foreign policy, the other two being the military, and diplomacy.

    In other words, all countries spy on each other.

    So why is it that I only ever hear of China spying on the US, and this on a near daily basis?

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      Probably becaise China doesn’t have freedom of the press. They barely mention shooting rockets into space that will fall “somewhere”.

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          And you think the Chinese would allow the press to know they’re being hacked in return? It’s absolutely a rights issue.

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            The US Government informs the press of hacks because and when it suits the interests of the US Government, not because it’s required by the constitution.

            I for one, would dearly like to know the exact KIA figures since our latest adventure, and an open assessment of our bases in the region, but, guess what? Telling me would not suit the interest of the government, so they don’t.

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              To paraphrase some random paragraph from a rather extensive law about hacking:

              “All 50 U.S. states, Washington, D.C. and three federal territories have requirements for the reporting of Incidents, and most of these statutes require reporting to state regulators. The nature and scope of the information that must be reported varies by state or territory.”

              https://iclg.com/practice-areas/cybersecurity-laws-and-regulations/usa

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      2 days ago

      Because of the news sources you consume? There are plenty of other stories about espionage if you care to look.

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      2 days ago

      Because the US loves histrionics, and keeping their people away from better tech that they can’t directly control.

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        2 days ago

        I also do think Chinese penetration into the US and West generally is deeper than the other way around, I know there is a joke hiding in there but I am not looking.

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          What would you base that conclusion on?

          I’d say it’s likely, because so much of our (US) infrastructure is run on a shoe-string budget and nobody is really ever held accountable for breaches; whereas I imagine in China heads would roll if, say, a foreign actor shut down the power grid.

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            I was referring specifically to penetration, if you are in labs at all in the West it is common to see a few Chinese placements. They are hard workers, diligent, putting in long hours, often antisocial hours when other people choose not to be there.

      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.worksOP
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        I think it’s because the United States wants to make China a public enemy, and keeping Americans outraged at their spying is one low key way to do it until further motivation is needed.

        On the other hand, China isn’t going to have as much visibility in the English speaking press. And, since they don’t have to justify to their populace why the United States is the enemy (first, because they are authoritarian, second, because its obvious), it’s operationally better not to disclose each and every instance of US spying; it might be better to keep those ports open and feed false information.