Which is honestly how it should be, feeding the trolls or tolerating them is detrimental to any platform, even engaging with them to correct them is giving them fuel.
Reporting and blocking is the only way and have always been, I don’t know what changed that people decided tolerating/engaging with them was being the better person.
Reporting and blocking is the only way and have always been, I don’t know what changed that people decided tolerating/engaging with them was being the better person.
I think it’s the general focus on driving engagement and feeding the algorithm.
And what’s the excuse for things like the fediverse where there’s no algorithm?
It isn’t rare to find troll accounts (specially on news communities) and people keep engaging with them, I doubt people even attempt at reporting them since they last a long time
Most people here are (or were) still engaged on other social networks. The engagement seeking mindset is just so widespread, that people bring it with them to the fediverse where it makes no sense.
At least that’s my answer. Not saying it is the cause, but it sounds about right to me.
It’s worse that this makes even more sense since we are mostly people who left reddit and it’s so obvious that people have no idea what the Report button is for over there.
In the real world, you cool down hostility by talking it out. On the internet it’s the opposite, and that approach gives the village idiot a global megaphone to radicalize or enrage others with. I think mass adoption social media is new enough that we’re still figuring out how it should work.
In the real world you don’t get obvious bad faith actors in your face shouting nonsense very often, and when you do, you usually walk away from them too. It’s not helpful to engage with people who are actively working against cooling down.
Isn’t it more in the real world people don’t interact with close to the number of people they do on the internet, and they never encounter or avoid a lot of people which acts like a real world filter or blocklist?
Internet is like walking in a store and then being flooded with hearing the thoughts of everyone in the store like you’re experiencing a telepathic attack.
In the real world, you cool down hostility by talking it out.
I mean… it depends, not everything can be descalated, dependes on the person, their intentions and the place.
On the internet it’s the opposite, and that approach gives the village idiot a global megaphone to radicalize or enrage others with.
Pretty much, people know how to behave or they don’t… and they can learn or not, but we have no reason to tolerate the village idiots.
I think mass adoption social media is new enough that we’re still figuring out how it should work.
I remember old forums, there was no tolerance for trolls and you could get punished along the troll for feeding it, so people learned to leave them alone and just report them, good sites/forums were heavily moderated and curated.
I think it started to go down the drain when moderation/ownership was removed from the users, just like with community servers for multiplayer games, companies care only about their own interests so allowing trolls who cause engagement by bait were more than welcome, they just pretended to moderate the services.
Nowadays… well reddit punishes mods who actually moderate the subs so that’s a waste of time, the fediverse seems to need to learn to just not tolerate nor engage with trolls… and the users have to learn to just report and block, just like the BlueSky users do so the mods can locate and remove the trolls (either users or servers).
I think admins/mods must be MUCH less tolerant of possible trolls and not be afraid about curating the content to their liking… it’s their server/community after all.
Which is honestly how it should be, feeding the trolls or tolerating them is detrimental to any platform, even engaging with them to correct them is giving them fuel.
Reporting and blocking is the only way and have always been, I don’t know what changed that people decided tolerating/engaging with them was being the better person.
b-b-but echo chamber!
True… People are extremely gullible and fall for these kinds of traps
I think it’s the general focus on driving engagement and feeding the algorithm.
And what’s the excuse for things like the fediverse where there’s no algorithm?
It isn’t rare to find troll accounts (specially on news communities) and people keep engaging with them, I doubt people even attempt at reporting them since they last a long time
Most people here are (or were) still engaged on other social networks. The engagement seeking mindset is just so widespread, that people bring it with them to the fediverse where it makes no sense.
At least that’s my answer. Not saying it is the cause, but it sounds about right to me.
It’s worse that this makes even more sense since we are mostly people who left reddit and it’s so obvious that people have no idea what the Report button is for over there.
In the real world, you cool down hostility by talking it out. On the internet it’s the opposite, and that approach gives the village idiot a global megaphone to radicalize or enrage others with. I think mass adoption social media is new enough that we’re still figuring out how it should work.
In the real world you don’t get obvious bad faith actors in your face shouting nonsense very often, and when you do, you usually walk away from them too. It’s not helpful to engage with people who are actively working against cooling down.
Isn’t it more in the real world people don’t interact with close to the number of people they do on the internet, and they never encounter or avoid a lot of people which acts like a real world filter or blocklist?
Internet is like walking in a store and then being flooded with hearing the thoughts of everyone in the store like you’re experiencing a telepathic attack.
I mean… it depends, not everything can be descalated, dependes on the person, their intentions and the place.
Pretty much, people know how to behave or they don’t… and they can learn or not, but we have no reason to tolerate the village idiots.
I remember old forums, there was no tolerance for trolls and you could get punished along the troll for feeding it, so people learned to leave them alone and just report them, good sites/forums were heavily moderated and curated.
I think it started to go down the drain when moderation/ownership was removed from the users, just like with community servers for multiplayer games, companies care only about their own interests so allowing trolls who cause engagement by bait were more than welcome, they just pretended to moderate the services.
Nowadays… well reddit punishes mods who actually moderate the subs so that’s a waste of time, the fediverse seems to need to learn to just not tolerate nor engage with trolls… and the users have to learn to just report and block, just like the BlueSky users do so the mods can locate and remove the trolls (either users or servers).
I think admins/mods must be MUCH less tolerant of possible trolls and not be afraid about curating the content to their liking… it’s their server/community after all.