Another thing I’d like to highlight is the data hoarder/old internet style “you can take my local games from my cold, dead hands” talk.
…Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies. There will be no more local games for you to buy. There will be no desktop gaming GPUs to replace the one that dies. Heck, I bet the internet itself gets locked down in the future.
I see this attitude e on Lemmy and some other corners of the internet, along the lines of “who cares what the masses do? We never needed them.” Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
That’s a nice thought.
But they’re taking what critical mass holds up for granted.
I don’t have a solution, either.
People, in aggregate, seem to always pick convenience over principle/long term health, when it comes to tech stuff.
Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies.
That kind of marketshare implies that Steam gives up the idea of local games. And if that happens we’ve already lost the fight. I don’t think it’ll go that far for a very long time.
Besides, developers still need hardware to develop games. So the idea of them ceasing to make consumer GPUs seem far fetched. They are needed for a lot more than just playing the biggest games.
Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
Well we’re here aren’t we? It’s not the 90’s, but we also came here because we refused to let adslop become our future of forums and disusccion. We don’t need 90% adoption to foster a community. If we could get to .1% we’d already be in a very good place.
There will be no desktop gaming GPUs to replace the one that dies.
unless you make them, i guess i would emphasize our personal skill development in tech as a people as the ultimate guarantor of our rights to own things personally. While some government policies are worse than others, no government solution can ever be a guarantee.
Well we have to try to do yhe best we can, or you think some well crafted government policy would guarantee our rights? What’s a better solution than developing your skills as much as you can so you can build stuff yourself as much as you can?
I’m just saying, from a practical standpoint, it would be like replacing modern commercial planes with the Wright brothers plane.
A modern GPU isn’t something “skills” can make, it’s a collaboration between thousands of highly specialized people and gigantic hyper specialized factories.
Having such a thing isn’t anyone’s right. It has nothing to do with rights.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro open hardware. I think a great way forward would be RISC-V processors with integrated accelerators targeting Vulkan, and much of this can be communally developed. But the actual fabrication part is extremely difficult, especially if you want it done economically and with some device that isn’t a toy.
Yeah, but what if those people started to suffer the consequences of games being streamed and not being able to own the games and buy the games that they play.
More and more people will suffer the consequences of games being streamed, and the consequences of being unable to buy and own their games
Our worst fears: unable to own anything and being unhappy
+1
Another thing I’d like to highlight is the data hoarder/old internet style “you can take my local games from my cold, dead hands” talk.
…Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies. There will be no more local games for you to buy. There will be no desktop gaming GPUs to replace the one that dies. Heck, I bet the internet itself gets locked down in the future.
I see this attitude e on Lemmy and some other corners of the internet, along the lines of “who cares what the masses do? We never needed them.” Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
That’s a nice thought.
But they’re taking what critical mass holds up for granted.
I don’t have a solution, either.
People, in aggregate, seem to always pick convenience over principle/long term health, when it comes to tech stuff.
That kind of marketshare implies that Steam gives up the idea of local games. And if that happens we’ve already lost the fight. I don’t think it’ll go that far for a very long time.
Besides, developers still need hardware to develop games. So the idea of them ceasing to make consumer GPUs seem far fetched. They are needed for a lot more than just playing the biggest games.
Well we’re here aren’t we? It’s not the 90’s, but we also came here because we refused to let adslop become our future of forums and disusccion. We don’t need 90% adoption to foster a community. If we could get to .1% we’d already be in a very good place.
unless you make them, i guess i would emphasize our personal skill development in tech as a people as the ultimate guarantor of our rights to own things personally. While some government policies are worse than others, no government solution can ever be a guarantee.
…You think a modern GPU can be crowdsourced?
I mean. You could. Hardware hackers have. But it wouldn’t resemble anything remotely like our desktops now.
Well we have to try to do yhe best we can, or you think some well crafted government policy would guarantee our rights? What’s a better solution than developing your skills as much as you can so you can build stuff yourself as much as you can?
I’m just saying, from a practical standpoint, it would be like replacing modern commercial planes with the Wright brothers plane.
A modern GPU isn’t something “skills” can make, it’s a collaboration between thousands of highly specialized people and gigantic hyper specialized factories.
Having such a thing isn’t anyone’s right. It has nothing to do with rights.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro open hardware. I think a great way forward would be RISC-V processors with integrated accelerators targeting Vulkan, and much of this can be communally developed. But the actual fabrication part is extremely difficult, especially if you want it done economically and with some device that isn’t a toy.
Yeah, but what if those people started to suffer the consequences of games being streamed and not being able to own the games and buy the games that they play.
More and more people will suffer the consequences of games being streamed, and the consequences of being unable to buy and own their games
Our worst fears: unable to own anything and being unhappy
That’s what I mean!
There’s no hiding from this or just “ignoring stupid people who stream games.” It is going to catch everyone, one way or another.
Yeah, but at least everyone will suffer the consequences and eventually people will get sick of being unable to own their games
One day the tides will again turn, but will eventually turn in our favor