Yeah thats the spirit.
I for one would love to get some small steps into the right direction.
(Which changes all the time, but a step is a step, right? Even if we just walked into the opposite direction)
The problem is that incremental change is only possible in systems that have room for incremental improvement, and are run democratically. This rules out capitalism entirely.
8 hr work day from 16 is an improvement. Need more though.
The modern movement originated in the Industrial Revolution in Britain, where industrial production in large factories transformed working life. At that time, the working day could range from 10 to 16 hours, the work week was typically six days, and child labour was common.
Incrementalism did not achieve the 8 hour workday, anarchists and communists throwing bombs did, because power has no reason to compromise unless it is actually threatened.
True that mate but it was refined and expanded globally expanded after well over 100 years of incremental updates. Least from the United States wiki 1791 to 1937.
It was actually interesting reading how much of this came from efficiency studies in ww1.
The shift to the 40 hour work week came alongside 2 critical advancements: organized working classes taking inspiration from successful socialist revolution, and the expansion of imperialism abroad. Devastating working conditions were exported from the global north to the global south in a collective agreement to stop a risk of revolution.
Yes, so all the laws securing that over the decades doesnt count as incrmental change? Maybe we have different interpretation of the definition of incremental change?
you’re the one who doesn’t understand how quantitative change produces qualitative change. that is not possible in bourgeois “democracy” because you’re never allowed enough quantitative change to produce qualitative change. even in the case you mention about the 8hs work shift, that is no longer the case in a lot of countries or for a lot of people even in the first world. the law might not have changed that the shift can’t be much more than 8hs, but you can have 2 jobs, you can do extra hours and no option to deny them. and in some countries you actually don’t have an 8 hours shift. so no, those laws don’t secure anything and they are no guarantee this will remain true in the foreseable future. in most cases what it takes is 1 (one, ONE!!!) term from the “left to fascism party” and that can be reversed. i understand you’re asking in good faith, but i find it bizarre that you trust so blindly the political ideology of a class that isn’t yours, robs and abuses you.
Incrementalism is little more than a stalling tactic to get liberals to accept increasingly worse results. It’s not how we’re going to beat fascism, climate change or anything that needs our urgent attention.
Yeah thats the spirit. I for one would love to get some small steps into the right direction. (Which changes all the time, but a step is a step, right? Even if we just walked into the opposite direction)
Open your fucking eyes lol. You’re barreling towards fascism because dems limp dick policies are unpalatable to the base.
The problem is that incremental change is only possible in systems that have room for incremental improvement, and are run democratically. This rules out capitalism entirely.
Aka one step forward, 20 steps back.
Truly, no progress of any sort was ever made in between the 1800s and 2000s in capitalist USA.
We innovated new ways to profit off genocides and put fascists in charge of countries
lol, if anything it’s gotten worse.
“Progress” in what manner, and for who?
8 hr work day from 16 is an improvement. Need more though.
Incrementalism did not achieve the 8 hour workday, anarchists and communists throwing bombs did, because power has no reason to compromise unless it is actually threatened.
True that mate but it was refined and expanded globally expanded after well over 100 years of incremental updates. Least from the United States wiki 1791 to 1937.
It was actually interesting reading how much of this came from efficiency studies in ww1.
The shift to the 40 hour work week came alongside 2 critical advancements: organized working classes taking inspiration from successful socialist revolution, and the expansion of imperialism abroad. Devastating working conditions were exported from the global north to the global south in a collective agreement to stop a risk of revolution.
Yes, so all the laws securing that over the decades doesnt count as incrmental change? Maybe we have different interpretation of the definition of incremental change?
you’re the one who doesn’t understand how quantitative change produces qualitative change. that is not possible in bourgeois “democracy” because you’re never allowed enough quantitative change to produce qualitative change. even in the case you mention about the 8hs work shift, that is no longer the case in a lot of countries or for a lot of people even in the first world. the law might not have changed that the shift can’t be much more than 8hs, but you can have 2 jobs, you can do extra hours and no option to deny them. and in some countries you actually don’t have an 8 hours shift. so no, those laws don’t secure anything and they are no guarantee this will remain true in the foreseable future. in most cases what it takes is 1 (one, ONE!!!) term from the “left to fascism party” and that can be reversed. i understand you’re asking in good faith, but i find it bizarre that you trust so blindly the political ideology of a class that isn’t yours, robs and abuses you.
Not through incrementalism, that’s for sure
Incrementalism is little more than a stalling tactic to get liberals to accept increasingly worse results. It’s not how we’re going to beat fascism, climate change or anything that needs our urgent attention.
and here’s what it gets you in the long run https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B