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    Is this a US thing where curriculums are based on basically one book? Here in germany, often professors just put together their own presentation slides and make them available for the students. The material in the slides of course is based losely on one or more books, but u don’t really need to read or let alone purchase those books. Also, aren’t university libraries a thing in the US? We can get a lot of digital copies of books legitimately for free.

    And what majors require u to even read specific books? I did my major in electrical engineering, and there are so many books and even YouTube videos explaining a lot of stuff for free. I mean the mathematics and the physical laws are always the same, so it’s not like they change from book to book.

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      I had one prof here in Germany that did this as well. It was his own book. He was adamant that everyone taking his class had to get the latest version, upgrading it every semester.

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      I’m a lecturer for a University where all courses are required to have a mandatory textbook that is sold at the University book store.

      The thing is, most of the time the book isn’t actually necessary - we just have to tell the students in code. When I tell students that a textbook is mandatory as a required supplement to the materials that will be provided in lecture and online, it’s code for “Don’t buy that shit - they’re making me say it’s mandatory.”

      When I was in school, I also had a professor who had written a mandatory textbook, but it was printed on the cheap, spiral-bound, and he didn’t take a commission on its sale, so it was like $12.

      But there are also evil professors. I had a professor of American History in college who had a “mandatory” textbook he had written and said would be included in all the exams and that he would not cover it in lectures. The book turned out to be about an art movement in 1920s Mexico (his doctorate was in Mexican history), and not a page of it was actually relevant to the course or included in the exams. He just wanted to make extra money off the students.

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      in k-12, its usually based one book, that almost never changes edition, or very little, and the schools doesnt put money towards newer updated material.

      most of the classes require questions answered specific from the book like most hw, or whatever questions derived from that specific book particularly. thats why its hard to get by without a book.

      when the info is all over the internet, or in random books, students might not be able to connect all that info together. most students need some kind of info all in one book to learn and anything unclear then they look at online resources or other books. maybe your countries universities present thier lectures differently.

      but when professors lecture with only slides, people rarely learn from them, because they are very basic and generic and often unhelpful for the most part, its almost exclusively done by professors that cant be bothered with teaching a class, rather do research instead.(not all but most of them are like this).

      plus new books/classes often come with a required online component, where you get a special purchased code to use, and its part of your overall grading system in the class.

      it maybe EU/germany professors lecture slides differently than the us. the prof here just do it lazily while barely explaining the material, and already expected the students to know the subjects.

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    My country has relaxed laws on piracy, so we had almost no books in our university, teachers just sent up pirated PDFs in a group chat

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      Unfortunately a lot of the fucking publishers are getting aware of this fact and their curriculum is now being tied to a online portal revolving around these books which is only available with a one-time code

      This kills piracy but more importantly used and significantly less frowned upon practice of - secondhand books.

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        Most of the subjects they teach, at a college level, have not changed in decades…

        If a teacher wants to use the “latest” in Shakespearean literature - that’s 100% a choice.

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          Of it’s definitely a choice, there’s probably a financing additional incentive to the college or even instructor to adapt these anti sharing policies

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      I didn’t buy a single book in community college. Thank you private torrent sites! The worst is when the teacher is peddling their own book at ridiculous, inflated prices. That should be a crime.

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        i stopped after the time when amazon came around, with books only and through google search i was able to get one book off. that was a little year before transfered toa 4 year, then i really was on the hunt at the time for torrented/free book downloads. yea those online access and professor exclusive books were annoying. pre-2010s was annoying since there were really any available sites to pirate books yet. only after the decade began when it really took off.

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          Yeah, you were pretty boned back then. Bibliotik private tracker started around 2011 or so, but it was almost impossible to get into back then, and it remains that difficult today. I lost my account, so I’m screwed. That was far and away the BEST resource for that sort of thing.

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    No, not the one from last year. This year’s. Written by the professor, who will demand proof you bought his damn book before he’ll teach you.

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    You can always let students have more access to student loans so they could be in debt for 40 years instead of 30 years. Have you thought about that?

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    $250 from 5 donations? Textbooks must’ve gotten a lot cheaper since I went to college if you can get them with that kind of money.

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      They’re just as expensive still, plus depending on your college, you may have to pay for online access codes for your homework on top of textbooks

      Fortunately, pdfs of textbooks are usually pretty easy to find

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        Wait what? Don’t book usually come in a physical copy that has (usually on the back) a code for the digital one? It’s different in the USA? That’s bullshit

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          they come attached in a seperate package, or pamphlet. you can pirate the book online, but you wont get any legit codes.

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          I am from the USA, but it depends on your college and class. Sometimes, it was a purely digital purchase, sometimes, the book and the access code were bundled together, and sometimes, the book and the access code were separate. I’ve also seen colleges that have textbook rental at no extra cost

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    That’s why back home we can not legally be compensated for donating blood or plasma. But you usually get some Sandwich and Coffee or something else to drink afterwards, which is nice.

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    If Oblivion has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Oblivion has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Oblivion has only one fan then that is me. If Oblivion has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Oblivion, then I am against the world.