Hu-man-it-ee vit-ay? My goodness, what a new and novel document I have never encountered before. This surely will change my outlook!
… Yeah, listen, Paulmbo #6 sat by preaching about morality while blithely presiding over the foundation of a pedophilia ring so massive it makes epstien look like a weekend hobbyist. Not only that, by publishing Humanitae Vitae he’s directly responsible for causing the rise of catholic anti intellectualism and the decline of the church into the joke of an institution it is today. He’s a reaaaaaally bad choice for a source.
Correct! Well done! You get a cookie! However, addressing the applicability and/or bias of a source (as I have done here) is not in itself fallacious, even if it involves addressing their character or actions.
Ex: Donald Trump says pedophilia isn’t bad. Pointing out that he’s a poor authority on the morality of pedophilia because he himself is a pedophile and rapist is not a (edit:) fallacious ad-homenim either, because it’s not a dismissal of his argument, it’s a dismissal of the value of his argument based on the present biases. Even though this is an ad hominem, it’s not a fallacy because of the magnitude of the bias. It’s a very important distinction.
the relocation of priests happened on the diocesan level and not the vatican level
The holy see is internationally recognized as a sovereign entity - I must have missed how that means it’s only in charge for the good bits, and isn’t in responsible for the bad ones.
Even the church itself investigated thousands of reported cases of pedophilia, and there have been hundreds of priests arrested in conjunction with it, including quite a few bishops who have been found to have been complicit in both the rapes and the coverups. How on earth does that not meet the criteria to be a pedophile ring?
the church investigating and leading the police to arrest pedophiles in its ranks
You got any proof of that happening? I know of a couple investigations where the church cooperated but I have seen not one example of them ever being the instigating factor behind a criminal proceeding. Let alone any sort of repeated program of this.
Also, you know, all the evidence of them knowing about it but covering it up until after they got caught means even if it’s true, it’s not exactly an example of them not being utterly complicit in all ways with the whole rampant pedophilia thing…
What you said was “[…] and leading the police to arrest pedophiles” which is what I’m talking about now. I previously claimed that they did thousands of internal investigations, that’s not in question. An internal investigation is not a criminal investigation. None of those links seem to be evidence they’ve ever been the instigating factor behind a criminal investigation.
The claim you made is that the church lead the police to arrest pedophiles - which, honestly, that would be nice if it were true. But as far as I’m aware, it’s just wishful thinking that the church has ever done that.
Hu-man-it-ee vit-ay? My goodness, what a new and novel document I have never encountered before. This surely will change my outlook!
… Yeah, listen, Paulmbo #6 sat by preaching about morality while blithely presiding over the foundation of a pedophilia ring so massive it makes epstien look like a weekend hobbyist. Not only that, by publishing Humanitae Vitae he’s directly responsible for causing the rise of catholic anti intellectualism and the decline of the church into the joke of an institution it is today. He’s a reaaaaaally bad choice for a source.
ad hominem
and this presides over the moral atrocities of the Sexual Revolution
https://youtu.be/dLqr-AFkK6Y in video form
and “pedophilia ring”? the relocation of priests happened on the diocesan level and not the vatican level
the entirety of the US Bishops and president and vice president of the USCCB were summoned to Rome for this
Correct! Well done! You get a cookie! However, addressing the applicability and/or bias of a source (as I have done here) is not in itself fallacious, even if it involves addressing their character or actions.
Ex: Donald Trump says pedophilia isn’t bad. Pointing out that he’s a poor authority on the morality of pedophilia because he himself is a pedophile and rapist is not a (edit:) fallacious ad-homenim either, because it’s not a dismissal of his argument, it’s a dismissal of the value of his argument based on the present biases. Even though this is an ad hominem, it’s not a fallacy because of the magnitude of the bias. It’s a very important distinction.
The holy see is internationally recognized as a sovereign entity - I must have missed how that means it’s only in charge for the good bits, and isn’t in responsible for the bad ones.
I apologize, but I am not watching a youtube vid for this.
Yeah, I too think the beatles were overrated…
please try watching the video
and the church definitely isnt a “pedophile ring”
No.
Even the church itself investigated thousands of reported cases of pedophilia, and there have been hundreds of priests arrested in conjunction with it, including quite a few bishops who have been found to have been complicit in both the rapes and the coverups. How on earth does that not meet the criteria to be a pedophile ring?
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the church investigating and leading the police to arrest pedophiles in its ranks is proof that it is NOT a pedophile ring
You got any proof of that happening? I know of a couple investigations where the church cooperated but I have seen not one example of them ever being the instigating factor behind a criminal proceeding. Let alone any sort of repeated program of this.
Also, you know, all the evidence of them knowing about it but covering it up until after they got caught means even if it’s true, it’s not exactly an example of them not being utterly complicit in all ways with the whole rampant pedophilia thing…
you claimed so in the last statement you made
https://www.vatican.va/resources/index_en.htm
What you said was “[…] and leading the police to arrest pedophiles” which is what I’m talking about now. I previously claimed that they did thousands of internal investigations, that’s not in question. An internal investigation is not a criminal investigation. None of those links seem to be evidence they’ve ever been the instigating factor behind a criminal investigation.
The claim you made is that the church lead the police to arrest pedophiles - which, honestly, that would be nice if it were true. But as far as I’m aware, it’s just wishful thinking that the church has ever done that.