Sidenote: all 4 include plastic.
There’s so much plastic lining that paper otherwise everything would get too soggy anyway. Yay for glass and metal. Reusable beats disposable, no matter what it’s made of
Theres a plastic lining in aluminium cans too. So glass a the way.
Some poorly made reusable shopping bags rip or otherwise break before they get used enough times to break even with the single use disposable plastic shopping bags they are supposed to replace. Especially the cheap ones bring given out as freebies.
That’s bullshit from the oil companies. They did a “study” that concluded that, but if you read the methodology, they made the assumption that the reusable bag would be unusable after 20 uses.
Meanwhile I’ve been going to the grocery store every week for quite a few years using the same bags without much issue. I’ve had one strap on a bag break after ~10 years of use, so there’s that I guess. Still haven’t thrown it out, keep meaning to repair it which I never get around to doing.
Anyway, if you read between the lines of the study conducted by the oil companies, if you reuse the bag more than 20 times (half a year of going to the grocery store every week) you are reducing plastic waste.
If they’re made from fabric they’re pretty repairable though.
Glass is glass and glass breaks. Win win for overpopulation, though.
A German talking about overpopulation. I don’t like where this is going…
Why would you assume I am German? Also, the person you were thinking of is from Austria.
We saw your snap feed in Poland…
“snap”? You mean, Snapcraft, the most evil of software?
Unlike plastic which never breaks ever
Sheet thin bendable plastic like that is difficult to break without tools. Especially while you are in progress of drinking from it. I was referring to glass shards going into people if it wasn’t clear. There’s already plastics in people (for various reasons, not just straws), not much to loose there.
This image looks like right wing corpo propaganda to me. Not only does it divert the attention away from the handful of megacorporations emitting 80% of all green house gases, it is attacking a moderate leftist – who admittedly causes a relatively large amount of greenhouse gases.
But Taylor Swift is not making most of those flights on a personal basis. It’s to provide a service to fans. So in that sense we can regard the emissions as those of Taylor Swift the company. And in that sense they are much lower than many other companies who we often give a free pass.
So, yes hold the big emitters responsible, but let’s start with the 57 on the list and work our way down to Taylor Swift.
Taylor swift is a leftist just like my racist boss has a black friend and is thus not racist.
Bingo.
It invites hatred from a sizeable (though perhaps potentially less politically-aware) fan base that might otherwise be receptive.
Using someone as popular as Swift as a target for less-pop-culture-interested folks who are politically informed is clearly kicking the hornets’ nest to stir up in-fighting among the working class.
Next time use Bezos or one of the other folks who showed up in that “Dialog” secret society since they also use private jets in the same way someone like Swift does, but in addition are far worse in every other way and who also lobby with their billions towards worsening the world in every way imaginable.
Yeah, if you convinced Taylor Swift to stop using a private plane, it’s analogous to fast food companies switching to paper straws while keeping everything else plastic. It helps, but it’s just demanding a token solution instead of taking on the bigger problem.
If you make a snappy meme about it, I’ll start using it.
Jeff Bezzos:
So I’ve wanted to do this for a minute…
But how many paper straws would you have to use to offset one of these explosions? How long would it take to offset one of these explosions through straw use?
Writing this now I was surprised by the results…
Source for plastic v paper straw data
So apparently plastic straws are actually more carbon neutral than paper straws, but for the purposes of this analysis I’m going to carry it through to find out how long it takes to create equivalent emissions.
Paper straws:
Call it 1430 grams of emissions per straw (which is wild btw)
Plastic straws:
Call it 610 per plastic straw. Still wild for something which weighs less than a gram.
This is also from the thesis
So yeah… not great.
Gonna be using 825 tons of carbon dioxide emitted from Hank Green’s video.
I think Hank is working in US standard units here… which is also weird and annoying but whatever… We’re getting to units of rocket explosion per straw so it’s fine…
And I’m going to be using 500 million straws per day, which is cited in the thesis from a 2017 study and repeated elsewhere in other studies on this.
It’s not great but what even are we doing here…
I don’t know how we get a plastic straw versus compostable straw use rate (what proportion of straws are still plastic versus how many are now paper or some other alternatives)
But we get 820 additional grams of emissions for each straw swapped.
500 tons to grams is:
838238016
Divided by the difference in co2e foot print per straw…
838238016 / 820 is about 1022240, in other words, about a million.
So for about every million straws swapped from plastic to paper, one giant fiery rocket explosion of CO2 emissions occurs.
The US consumes straws at a convenient rate of 500 million a day, so if ALL of those straws were converted to paper, we’re setting off about 500 of those explosions per day.
Have you noticed the intense UV this summer? I think he legit ripped a hole in the ozone layer with that explosion.
taylor swift’s private plane is a 1947 boeing b-47 stratojet?
girl’s got style.
I thought that was a lobster disintergrating at first
Everything looks like a lobster disintegrating when your only tool is a lobster reintegrator.
The only reason you even need a straw in the first place instead of drinking from the cup like a normal human being, is because fast food chains dilute your drinks with frozen water.
NGL I like my cola as cold as possible.
But any iced beverage just feels wrong to rawdog.
I don’t drink as much soda as I used to…but I do love me some cold brew iced coffee. I wouldn’t want to rawdog that, and I make it at home. I use a reusable straw, tho. I only use disposable straws for boba and smoothies because I can’t find good girthy reusable straws.
And restaurateurs that aren’t idiots run their soda machines at a ratio that accommodates for the ice.
The cup wasn’t just made of paper. It was paper with a Wax Coating.
It hasn’t been wax in decades, its polyurethane.
I know. Thank you.
I’ve had paper straws served in plastic packaging!
I had bought these microwavable curry dinner boxes…like an MRE type thing. Mighta been noodles. Idr.
It came in a plastic bowl with all the ingredients individually wrapped in plastic.
Remember the episode of Futurama, where Fry had to assemble his own oreos? Like that.
BUT…in addition to this, they greenwashed the whole thing by including the most worthless bamboo spork I had ever seen. Like it was flat…so not spoony…but also had rounded edges around the tines, so not exactly forky either. It was less comfortable to eat from than a toddler fork. An actual waste of bamboo, if there is such a thing.
The real trick all along was always reducing your consumption of disposable products.
As I said to a college professor when he was pointing out how the “Reduce” in “Reduce, Reuse, Recycle” is often ignored or at best whispered, reducing our consumption isn’t profitable.
The real trick all along was always reducing your consumption.
Ftfy
The real trick all along was always reducing you
Less people = less consumption.
I mean you still gotta eat
So you see the salmonella in the watered down coke ?
I just hold my hands out and make a bowl with my hands. Works every time. Free refills too.
Still waiting on straws made of dry pasta. Biodegradable, strong, edible if you really want
Is this real?
$140 USD for a box of pasta. You should buy a box and let us know. To be fair that gets you a few thousand straws but no matter how hungry I am I can’t eat that many pieces of noodle.
Wouldn’t those significantly alter the taste of whatever they’re sitting in?
Could we do Twizzlers instead?
Well, it’s nice to be able to see the two tones in the two tone slushy. I guess that’s why. Not great for the environment though as you say.
I mean waxed paper cups aren’t super, they are likely better than plastic, but the wax is likely a fossils fuel byproduct
I believe they increasingly use PLA which is a bioplastic. But yeah it used to be, and in many cases likely still is, polyethylene which is an oil product.
PLA is not compostable or anything of the sort. So honestly it’s more of a “this plastic could be recycled, given that it’s sorted out from the other plastic, and given financial viability”.
Edit: as pointed out below, it’s more correct to say that it’s not home-compostable
PLA very much is compostable, but only in composting facilities designed to handle bioplastics, which most aren’t (and also additives like pigments likely aren’t compostable).
Fair, I mean that it’s not compostable in home compost environments.
Yeah, unfortunately without some true dedication home composters do not have enough fuel (or material balance) to hit the temps required to compost PLA. It works great if you’ve got a hot composter, if you’re interested in the DIY side of things, but generally you need several households worth of input (or as in my area, a community garden with shared composting) to be able to reliably decompose PLA.
Not nearly as compostable as PHA though!
PLA isn’t food safe though, and it’s only bio degradable in very specific circumstances, and that ““biodegradable”” status also means it puts off tons of micro plastics
I think you’re thinking of 3D printed PLA which indeed typically isn’t food safe. Industrially produced PLA can be food safe and it’s used in a lot of food packaging, disposable cutlery etc.
Gotcha TIL
PLA itself absolutely is food safe, and a significant plurality of plastic disposable forks and spoons are made from it these days. (To be clear [edit], this is the material itself typically in an injection moulded final product. FDM 3D printed objects made out of it are not food safe, at least not more than once, because of the layer lines in which bacteria and other cooties can hide.)
Yup, just looked it up from your comment because it made me realize that I had no idea what wax was actually made of.
Paraffin wax is a colorless solid derived from petroleum, coal, or oil shale, consisting of hydrocarbon molecules
It is also a mixed material which makes it difficult to recycle
Not if they use beeswax or some other natural resin
Hence the likely a fossil fuel byproduct. But let’s be real the cost associated with using beeswax would be unbelievable
I’ve never seen the one on the right. I’m guessing this is an American thing?
Yes, corporations guilt tripped Americans to use shittier products while they spill their garbage in the water.
They went to styrofoam for a while, but that’s hated now, so they’ve gone to the clear plastic. I hate it, it sweats in the cup holder, a lot. And the ice melts, and the drink warms up much faster.
They have biodegradable styro, but people don’t understand the difference, so they get just as worked up over the good styrofoam as the bad. So they just pivot to the worst possible option, plastic.
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I’ve never seen the thing on right in my life. In the EU both cup and straw are paper
also same in Australia
pretty sure this is just engagement bait for lemmy, seems to have worked
Fuck people for trying anything, I guess.
