THIS Windows user has used Linux and BSD sytems for ~30 years and still manages a fuckton off Linux servers as his dayjob. The thing is - and it is a somewhat inconvenient truth - that Windows 11 has evolved to a point where it works just really, really well when used on dedicated hardware.
And Powershell is simply the better scripting environment, this is a hill i will gladly die on.
You’re a sysadmin or a software engineer, not a non technical layperson like a teacher, accountant, nurse, web developer, etc. using a lenovo ideapad to do their taxes.
Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn’t have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can’t connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷♂️.
The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.
I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I’m not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.
Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.
I think it’s like why people don’t change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don’t want to mess with it
Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I’m being sincere & my car’s engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?
How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.
If you want a different engine, you’re going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.
I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That’s all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you’re using… What it shipped with.
no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that’d just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.
Yes, either a junk yard used one or you can purchase a crate engine, that is just the main engine block internals and heads, and you swap all your parts to it.
Sure. Basically every part of a car is replaceable, including the engine (and parts of the engine). As the car gets older finding the parts gets harder but that’s about it.
Engine swaps are expensive though, especially since you wouldn’t be doing it yourself knowing next to nothing about cars, so a lot of people get a new car at that point.
Wait, are you saying you have to run scripts to make hdmi default… on Steam Deck? Cause I have the thing in desktop mode, and every time I turn it on while it’s plugged into my tv, it automatically defaults to that tv no problem. What’s going on with your setup?
Also wireless latency is a problem everywhere, with some controllers being better than others. Gulikit ES Pro works pretty well in my experience, but wired is always going to be faster.
What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don’t work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work ‘out of the box’. If you reinstall, good luck with that.
And even if some distros don’t play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there’s that.
Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I’m happy on the penguin side of things, you’re happy on the… whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.
I did read, and part of what I said came from that as well. My steam deck has been on bazzite, SteamOS and ChimeraOS, and I’ve never had an issue there either.
To be clear, I’m not saying you’re imagining anything. It could very well be faulty hardware, a BIOS level issue, the downloaded ISOs themselves. The possibilities are endless. But the reality is that I have not had that experience in the Linux world at all, but have had a way worse experience with Windows, and I used to build gaming PCs in my country for a living, with Windows, since XP. Windows is a royal pain in the ass unless you buy the equipment with it preinstalled, and even then, the 1 hour + updates and resources hogging are ridiculous.
I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn’t interested in the other stuff.
Also, I didn’t say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.
Yeah, it’s Windows users going out and proudly exclaiming their love. Definitely never heard a Linux user bitch about another OS.👌👍
This has to be intentionally dense shit to trigger ACHKTUALLY type engagement right?
Windows users don’t think about or even realize that other operating systems exist
THIS Windows user has used Linux and BSD sytems for ~30 years and still manages a fuckton off Linux servers as his dayjob. The thing is - and it is a somewhat inconvenient truth - that Windows 11 has evolved to a point where it works just really, really well when used on dedicated hardware.
And Powershell is simply the better scripting environment, this is a hill i will gladly die on.
You’re a sysadmin or a software engineer, not a non technical layperson like a teacher, accountant, nurse, web developer, etc. using a lenovo ideapad to do their taxes.
In what reality? Because it’s certainly not the one I exist in
Is your reality the one where they didn’t imprison Trump?
Unfortunately
Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn’t have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can’t connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷♂️.
The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.
I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I’m not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.
Well fuck me they are real
Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.
I think it’s like why people don’t change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don’t want to mess with it
Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I’m being sincere & my car’s engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?
How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.
If you want a different engine, you’re going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.
I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That’s all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you’re using… What it shipped with.
no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that’d just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.
Yes, either a junk yard used one or you can purchase a crate engine, that is just the main engine block internals and heads, and you swap all your parts to it.
Currently doing an engine swap on a friends car.
“crate engine” appears to have been the magic words I was after, thank you so much!!
Depends on the car, I don’t think it’s too hard to find one from a scrapyard
Sure. Basically every part of a car is replaceable, including the engine (and parts of the engine). As the car gets older finding the parts gets harder but that’s about it.
Engine swaps are expensive though, especially since you wouldn’t be doing it yourself knowing next to nothing about cars, so a lot of people get a new car at that point.
But there’s nothing stopping you.
Yes. I bought my f150 for 2k not running. Replaced the engine (my labor, 4k worth) and now I have a 15k truck.
If you want some side cash flipping old cars can be profitable.
Wait, are you saying you have to run scripts to make hdmi default… on Steam Deck? Cause I have the thing in desktop mode, and every time I turn it on while it’s plugged into my tv, it automatically defaults to that tv no problem. What’s going on with your setup?
Also wireless latency is a problem everywhere, with some controllers being better than others. Gulikit ES Pro works pretty well in my experience, but wired is always going to be faster.
Amen.
For every last ball ache I have about Win 10 and 11 is “well thats annoying” but they just fucking work.
What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don’t work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work ‘out of the box’. If you reinstall, good luck with that.
And even if some distros don’t play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there’s that.
Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I’m happy on the penguin side of things, you’re happy on the… whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.
Did you read? Bazzite and steamos respectively. Please tell me how I don’t know what I’m doing or imagining these things.
I did read, and part of what I said came from that as well. My steam deck has been on bazzite, SteamOS and ChimeraOS, and I’ve never had an issue there either.
To be clear, I’m not saying you’re imagining anything. It could very well be faulty hardware, a BIOS level issue, the downloaded ISOs themselves. The possibilities are endless. But the reality is that I have not had that experience in the Linux world at all, but have had a way worse experience with Windows, and I used to build gaming PCs in my country for a living, with Windows, since XP. Windows is a royal pain in the ass unless you buy the equipment with it preinstalled, and even then, the 1 hour + updates and resources hogging are ridiculous.
You’ve never been to a LAN party when those where bigger. Completely unprompted, windows users will shit on mac and linux users.
You are barking up the wrong tree. mohaa, dota (the mod) big game hunters, ns, cs (again before the stand alone or steam).
You’re friends were correct back then. Linux was mostly worthless unless it was your job. Triple so for gaming.
I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn’t interested in the other stuff.
Also, I didn’t say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.