• Proton VPN has hit back at Canada’s proposed Bill C-22
• The proposed legislation could require VPNs to log user metadata
• NordVPN and Windscribe have also slammed the bill
• Proton VPN has hit back at Canada’s proposed Bill C-22
• The proposed legislation could require VPNs to log user metadata
• NordVPN and Windscribe have also slammed the bill
Proton is not a trustworthy company.
Noone is 100% trust worthy. I’ll still appreciate when they fight for the right things.
They’ll fight, until the thing becomes Law, then they’ll stop fighting it because it would mean end of business. And ultimately, killing your business is not a good business decision, it turns out.
Proton has a long history of capitulation.
And they have a history of making promises they don’t keep.
In fact, it’s so bad that Proton defender @[email protected] wrote a warning about how their statement here is basically not to be trusted.
if 3 lines is a long comment for you, you should read more. For the others:
Thank you for sounding the alarm about the untrustworthiness of this company. Keep on keeping on, my anarchist friend.
holy shit someone on lemmy made a long comment, you say
What long history of capitulation?
Well, I know there are some cases. But they are still bound by Swiss law, or soon they will not have a company anymore.
It’s not perfect on privacy, but I wouldn’t call it “capitulation” either.
Proton’s homepage has a very different take on Swiss law.
And a very different public message about whether they would capitulate vs defending your freedom.
Well that’s actually what I said, isn’t it? Swiss law, which they have to abide by. Some of the strongest in the world, but not airtight for people who commit crimes.
The laws protect the company and the users privacy to a certain extent, but that also means Proton have the responsibility to uphold that law, or the law will be meaningless.
Getting into trouble by repeatedly purposely breaking the law is probably the easiest way for a company to get disbanded. No other companies will work with you, your server contracts will not be extended and you won’t get anything done.
And neutral is also probably a lawful type of neutral, judging from the many times they mention the law :)
Sure. Tuta is better though.
No, it isn’t.
Oh pray tell how so? Because proton not only accepts people on blacklists as deserving to be there with no way to appeal, despite you know, things. But they also removed like thousands of people that the US government said they were suspicious of they sent them a list and they suspended all their email accounts, no appeal nothing. Based on the word of the United States government, a famously untrustworthy source. I say that as United States citizen.
You’re going to have to elaborate or rephrase this because I have no idea what you’re trying to say here
No they didn’t.
First of all the second part was in the news just like 6 9 months ago, I might not have an entirely right but that’s generally what they did, they took the word off governments over people. Second of all I happen to know they accept blacklists as trustworthy, I know because someone who isn’t me is on one and they refused them an account.
In truth they are Israel’s bitch. In short.
No they didn’t. Thats not “generally” what they did at all. You’re just spreading more misinformation that you admittedly aren’t even very confident about.
Do you have any proof of this? Or are you just going with “I heard from a guy”?
Is it this, or something else?
https://theintercept.com/2025/09/12/proton-mail-journalist-accounts-suspended/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45227316
I do read The Intercept but that article is not what I’m talking about, there’s something else that was a lot worse than that that they did just last year. Someone who isn’t me signed up for an account and it’s totally legit and was denied because they’re on a blacklist because Israel and there was no way to like appeal on proton.
Because, for some reason on Lemmy, people think Proton is above criticism, and will defend the corporation’s false claims of fighting for their users when we have article after article proving the opposite
They’re not at all above criticism. The thing is all we have in the way of criticism is article after article of misinformation born from either technical ignorance or deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. None of which stand up to a moments scrutiny, much less “prove” anything.
On the more innocent side of the scale, you’ll have people chastising Proton over negatives that are entirely out of their control, and exist because they have to when operating as a public email provider. Then those same people will point people to alternatives like Fastmail or Tutanota that have all the same problems, but are less transparent about it.
Like if you want to make an argument against public email providers as a whole you can surely do so, but so far there’s really no evidence that Proton is anything but as good as you are reasonably going to get if you do decide to use one.
Ironic you made misinformation to claim this. It’s a strawman. Anyway
No, it’s their false advertisement that claims it is within their control.
I didn’t make any misinformation. Nor is there a strawman. If you think there is “article after article” of proof then feel free to provide a couple.
Like what exactly?
I’d like to see those “articles over articles” that do not reference the one case that is cited over and over please.
You already educated everybody here that Proton is not to be trusted when it comes to logging. What do I get out of talking to you further, my anarchist friend? If you see a couple more articles, will you make a post condemning Proton’s false advertisement?
I’m more of a socialist than an anarchist, although i sympathize with anarchists - socialism and anarchism can have quite some overlap.
Any you really should work on your reading skills, because what i wrote and what you want to understand are two very different things. Since they don’t log IPs when not court ordered, no court can retroactively extract that data, and to be honest, if you know that you might attract government attention, using Tor or a VPN (yes, even ProtonVPN would have sufficed in this case) is basic OpSec - both would have prevented actionable intel being logged.