I have always seen NATO as an alliance to get the US out of the mess they caused
Please don’t ask what the guy who was in charge of Unit 731 (and his second in command) did after WW2 or why the Washington Airspace Museum is full of german names.
And for the love of Ruthkanda, don’t look up Operation Gladio.
What the fuck did I just read? Specifically targeting left leaning groups? What possible reason would an org like nato need that for?!
NATO was formed as an antirevolutionary inter-imperialist coalition military. The entire purpose of NATO is to protect imperialist countries and kill off any leftists that stand to get in the way of western plunder.
I take it you don’t share a border with Russia or the USSR before that? We are not fond of imperialists here either, and our government has certainly contributed to some unjust wars over the years, but we have little choice seeing how the kremlin waged wars against its neighbors and own people. I hope for the day when we can live in peace and quiet together with our Russian neighbors, the vast majority of them seem like nice people, but as long as the current regimes over there persist we need some sort of oversized defense alliance.
NATO is the inter-imperialist alliance. Imperialism isn’t war, it’s a stage in capitalism and it results in vast plundering of resources and exploitation of labor in the periphery for the benefit of the imperial core. War is used as one option to maintain imperialism, as are sanctions and the buildup of dependence (such as exporting machinery that requires specific spare parts that only the imperialist country can produce).
The USSR was anti-imperialist, which is why so much of the west was hostile towards it. The USSR was aiding liberation movements around the world, which dramatically hurt the profits of the western ruling classes.
I unfortunately know a bit too many eastern europeans who experienced this aid to see the kremlin with rose tinted glasses. Of course “a random person on the internet said NATO is good actually” won’t change anyones mind, but I would generally recommend everyone to broaden which media they read. It is possible for several things to be true at the same time, for example both that the endless wars in the middle east and Africa are imperialist, and that there is a valid need for military defense against Russia, even if it is flawed.
Russia has absolutely no interest in invading Europe. This is a narrative used to justify increasing European military budgets as the spoils of imperialism are drying up and the global south is gaining more independence from the US and Europe. NATO is a blight on human progress and needs to be dissolved for a better future.
So is Ukraine not in Europe or not being invaded? How about Georgia and Moldova? I guess the constant threats against Svalbard and Baltikum, as well as the funding and bribery of alt-right groups all over the west can be seen as technically not an invasion, but it does paint a scary picture. It might be true that Putin don’t want to invade western and northern Europe, but he is actively trying to reconquer what he sees as lost western colonies.
The “invasion” began in 2014 when the US orchestrated a hostile takeover of the Ukrainian government. It was then continued with several years of the nazis in Ukraine bombing the Donbass, breaching two peace treaties. Russia then responded to that agression, which one can think a lot of things about. The “invasion” was the US-coup-government of Ukraine invading the Donbass.
The crisis in Ukraine was sparked by aggressive NATO expansion, a western-backed Banderite coup in 2014, and the inability of Russia to resolve the ensuing civil war and ethnic cleansing committed by the new Kiev regime against the Donbass with the Minsk agreements. Russia wanted to join NATO decades ago and join the imperialist club, but the west decided it would rather re-colonize Russia, hence the reciprocation from Russia.
In that case, it seems our views on reality and sources are too far apart to find agreement in a comment thread. If you get the chance, I would highly recommend visiting the ex-soviet republics in eastern Europe and speaking with the locals, including the Russian diaspora there. That has been eye opening for me.
Most people in many post-soviet countries such as Romania say that life was better under socialism, and that’s despite 35 years of anticommunist propaganda based on cold war myths and anti-Russian racism.
Go ahead, tell us again how wonderfully well capitalism has worked for Ukraine
I’d love to visit if I ever get the chance, for now the best I can do is pay attention to what’s available.
sources are too far apart
i’ve been looking for a western source that the american freedom of information act doesn’t immediately prove is propaganda; do you have any to share?
here’s a tldr and a clickable link if you’ve never heard of the freedom of information act:
Any thing to back that up because that sounds like bullshit spread by the fascist US government who want NATO gone on behalf of Russia
Apart from what everyone else has provided you, this comment has a lot of great and interesting sources to improve your reading
sounds like bullshit spread by the fascist US government who want NATO gone on behalf of Russia
It’s so cool how Qanon tier conspiracy theory is now mainstream thought amongst western liberals
LOL
I hope that you will actually look at the sources that people gave you. It’s understandable that you are sceptical but it’s very important to learn the actual origin of NATO because it’s the first step of understanding that NATO has been a tool for imperialism and the suppression of leftists revolutions around the world since its inception
Many former Nazi officials were high ranking members of NATO, including Adolf Heusinger. This makes sense, considering NATO is a military coalition of imperialist countries meant to deter revolution against imperialism and neocolonialism, like SEATO, ANZUS, and CENTO.
If Trump destroyed NATO, this would genuinely be an accidental anti-imperialist move.
If Trump destroyed NATO, this would genuinely be an accidental anti-imperialist move.
Many such cases
Yep lol
This article is a good starting point: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
Also read Paul L Williams - Operation gladio.
God damn. I had a vague understanding of all that, but to have it all documented makes me a bit ill. America has a serious issue of lack of comeuppance.
We can have the solace that the US empire cannot last forever, and with all the atrocities it has and continues to commit, in the long term its digging its own grave. The people of the world refuse to be kept in chains, they have risen up and will continue to do so. Class struggle will rear its head until class society is abolished, and the contradictions inherent to it are resolved.
who want NATO gone
hahaha we ALL want NATO gone around here, its a Nazi Imperialist org.
And the EU with it please
Anything to back that up? No? Okay then
Go ahead, fucking respond to the picture posted below, dumbass motherfucker
Here’s one article from the linked comment: https://historynet.com/these-nato-generals-had-unusual-backgrounds-they-served-in-the-third-reich/
No? Okay then
How the fuck would they be and the reply to a question you asked in the same fucking post? Do you understand that they can’t read what you’re typing in real time?
What having full ignorant confidence that NATO wasn’t full of Nazis lmao that’s why
You’re ridiculous? Okay then
I appreciate your honest curiosity/inquiry. The world is more complex than what it seems (and certainly more complex than “Russia bad, NATO good”), and I doubt anyone can competently hold all this info in their head, so stay safe out there and remain curious.
I think that is the best description of the clusterfuck of a world we have.
No one can keep the competing rivalries and poor choices leading to worse ones straight in their heads. Thousands of years of people being absolute morons to each other, and no one will ever untie the gordian knot.
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