I’m so weary of everything getting a little bit worse every day.
I’m sure we all used to be excited about the future of the internet but now it’s just shit.
Ah Utah
The medieval backward heartland of the USA
Good thing my firm doesn’t have an office in UT; we’re all on a VPN to work from home.
Generally speaking, most VPNs used for business are a split tunnel, and aren’t forwarding all of your traffic, just the traffic relevant to your company resources that would otherwise be inaccessible unless you were on-site. So your internet traffic and regular browsing are still sent as if you had no VPN connection at all.
Not on the company provided computers we used on my last job guess they would just be illegal
Odd, we had split many many years ago and then went full.
Routing is something you can control client-side. Well at least you can configure that all traffic should be routed over the VPN. If your company provides an exit to the internet over VPN is another issue, but I suppose most do.
IT’S FOR THE KIDS, YOU COMMIE!
Inb4 Republicans pass a law to make offeting your offspring to powerful pedophiles mandatory
This is just another dog and pony show. If the company doesn’t have any offices or assets in utah, then they don’t have to care. Utah can censor it’s own internet if it doesn’t like it.
This law simply has no legs to stand on.The point is it will spread. Unless you can convince people to jump to i2p en masse it not going to end well.
I have to wonder how a webtorrent based setup on Yggdrasil would perform…
It’ll be federal soon though.
Yeah, I was wondering how on earth this would work. If my organization doesn’t operate or host in Utah and they file suit against me why wouldn’t I tell them to pound sand?
Get a list of every dumbass politician who voted this through, and access their campaign websites through a VPN from a computer in Utah. Boom.
Self owned.
Politicians will be exempt. That ain’t that stupid.
They didn’t write this law, the lobbyists did.
These aren’t “age checks”…it’s identity tracking.
It’s literally going to be easier for websites to just block all Utah IPs and Geolocations.
But that doesn’t fix this. If someone actually from Utah uses a non-Utah IP to access data in a manner not approved by Utah, they can be held liable. The only way to get around this is, aside from the law being struck down, is for companies out to operate outside the legal reach of the state of Utah, or to act as if everyone in the world lives in Utah. It’s a really bad law.
I’m ok with blocking Utah from the internet. That’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make
Websites need to block all Utah traffic. If their leaders are going to be shitheads, then no traffic for you until you elect new leaders.
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I say just block Utah. Cut the grid, blow the highways, and burst the pipes. Maybe burn and salt SLC, let’s see well those profligates last against such odds before they act even the vaguely modern rather than riding Smith and Young’s corpse cocks.
Shit just block Utah from porn and they will change their tune quick
Traffic coming from Utah? Believe it or not, jail.
You should see how they’ve gerrymandered their districts.
Looks like Utah is run by buncha pedos
The pedophile class has the audacity to dictate access to a utility under the guise of protecting the children
Remember when we told people “they’ll make it illegal to use a VPN” and we got snarky replies like “it’s not enforceable LOL”.
The fuck it isn’t. Traffic coming from a VPN? That’s a paddlin’, kiddo.
They’re not even trying to masquerade it as… oh, yes, they’re still trying to masquerade as a “think of the children!” measure. Those fuckers.
and we got snarky replies like “it’s not enforceable LOL”.
Not being enforceable hasn’t stopped a lot of bad laws from being enacted.
People can use this to look like local traffic.
This seems a bit sketchy to me. How am I getting paid for participating when it’s completely free?
https://docs.ur.io/economic-model/economic-model
Their economic model comes from premium subscriptions. Its free to use with a data cap.
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So what legally protects a provider from prison if users view illegal content via my network?
Reminds me of the guy who got his home raided and electronics seized for running a Tor exit node.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/austrian-man-raided-for-operating-tor-exit-node/
Seems risky and a huge legal hassle even if you don’t end up in prison.
They could run it on a Linux VPS. They might want to have a notice ready as if they were running a tor exit relay and let the host know.
The problem for most users is: they actually want to look like traffic from somewhere else…
I meant to say residential traffic of whatever country they connect to instead of a data center.
it seems very unsafe
Their software is open source.
Age verification is a red line. I will not comply
they will use this specifically to prosecute whoever they choose and will only enforce it for that reason
Wait… this is specifically about websites?
Easy solution: stick your website behind a CDN. That way, people are using a VPN to contact a CDN, and only the CDN ever connects to your website.
And if Utah thinks two degrees of separation isn’t enough… well, it’s likely that every legislator in Utah is two degrees away from someone who will break this law, so they should obviously be the first to be subject to its penalties.
Oh those legislators are two degrees away from something being broken, and it ain’t this dumbass law.
Easy solution: stick your website behind a CDN.
I would say the easy solution is to stop serving content to residents of the state
Well that’s the problem. If you’re on a VPN, the site doesn’t know where you’re coming from. So either all VPN services ban Utah, or all websites ban VPNs. It’s a very insidious ploy to ban any anonymity on the internet. It’s essentially letting Utah set the rules for the entire network. And it doesn’t really work anyway. I can create a VPS and set up tailscale or something similar and all my traffic goes through that server. No block of knowable VPN IPs that a website can block. So either Utah blocks all services like tailscale, which is not going to happen, or this is just pointless.
If two computers are connected to the same network, there will always be a way around these sort of restrictions.
There is no way to know someone is connecting to you via a VPN. They just blacklist known IP addresses, so there isn’t really a way to implement this. Sure, you can blacklist well known VPN providers, but anyone can rent a PC in another location to VPN through.
Yeah this was exactly my point. And this only works if the IPs for the VPN are fairly static. I have no idea if they are. But given that I have heard discussions about doing this I assume that is the case. I mean I have done exactly this (using a VPS) to get around some of the restrictions I see.
Same here. Running WireGuard on a VPS in Seattle.
Paying $10 a month, but that’s just because I also use that VPS for OwnCloud as well.
all websites ban VPN
I don’t think that’s technically possible under the current structure of the internet.
Now, if they move to: you must sign in with a state assigned ID before you access anything anywhere… that technically could work.
Shhh! Don’t give them freakin’ ideas!!! :)
Oh, they don’t need to be told this - it has been in the fascist state “papers please” handbook since long before WWII. Get very very worried when Fox News starts talking about “considering the possibility of…”
You can still request Geolocation and if the computer has a prior record w/o IP, you can get a location up the chain.
There’s services that not only check for known VPN servers, but also for IPs in datacenter IP blocks. So using a VPS could in theory also be blocked.
Yeah, and you could also block all Albanians from shopping at your store by asking them as they come in: “Are you Albanian?” Yeah, you have a photo-catalog of known Albanians, and some general descriptions of what Albanians look like, but are you really going to actually, successfully block all Albanians? No. And the more you try, the more you’re going to block non-Albanians just because they “look like they might be an Albanian…”
Apologies to Albanians, you’re just an alphabetically early example - nothing about Albainia or Albainians in particular, the same could be said for Bulgarians, Croatians, Danish, Estonians, Finnish, Greeks, etc.
I set up a VPS as a VPN server just for me. There’s sites have definitely done this. Reddit for one. I get cloudflare captchas a lot as well.
I also use that, and it’s just all over the place.
I’ve had issues with my carrier, so I just used foreign SIM in roaming for a while. €11 for 40GB is not that bad.And then I found I can’t purchase a train ticket. For some reason, ZSSK (Slovakian passenger railway company) blocked IPs of Lifecell (Ukrainian MNO), but was fine with IP from RackNerd (Virginia).
Oh, and the university I am at blocks IPs from “3rd world countries”, the result of which was that Asburn, Virginia is fine, but somehow New York is a 3rd world country.
Their instructions say to use any EU-based VPN.OneDrive uploads would only work for me over Mullvad without crashing.
I also had Reddit block Czech T-Mobile IPs.
You’re right they could. But I’m a systems architect who deals with university wide networks so I know what a cluster fuck that would be. It would be absolutely unmanageable. I’d wager there is no way in hell they are gonna do that.
I’m hopeful that an adult in the room is going to show how unworkable this is gonna be but who knows.
It would be absolutely unmanageable.
They probably know this, and are pushing it anyway - for the votes and the lobbyist backing. (most) voters don’t know how ridiculous it is from the technical perspective, and the lobbyists are only looking for their own financial advantages which often come from chaos.
an adult in the room
They’re all adults, just not adults who care what they break.
I hate how true this is….
