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Cake day: July 8th, 2023

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  • Yeah I don’t think we’re going to make too much more progress in this conversation since I can see that we disagree on too many baselines. Namely violence but also how much weight you put on the term revolution. For violence I’ll just say I would happily purge and resettle Utah and large chunks of the south so as you may guess I don’t much care about murder, terror, and torture so long as I agree with the end goal. Also I put basically no weight on the term revolution, revolution is just revolt with some extra letters a monarchist revolt against a republic is still a revolution if successful.


  • The past influences the present but sadly time is apparently linear so the reverse inherently is not possible. Also bringing up Ford and IBM is kinda well outside the period of the initial 50 years of the US existing, yes the US has had massive ties fascism both in its proto and fully formed variants. I’m not defending the modern US by any means and I’m going to make it explicit and state I consider anything within a 150 years from present to be modern, that’d make something like say The Wounded Knee Massacre modern.

    I consider the promises of the revolution and it’s true potential dead by the time Andrew Jackson was president and more or less solidified by the Trail of Tears. Everything good past that point is simply resources and progress to be exploited and taken advantage of by whatever successor states form when the US collapses. There have been multiple points of salvageablity but all of them have been failures.

    My point is entirely on the fact that the US wasn’t inherently fascistic in its first 50 years because the ideologies that did more directly lead to fascism were not the big name revolutionaries. By the time of the civil war for example, yeah the Confederates were out and out proto fascists same fucken retoric as well and since they weren’t purged the tainted the rest of the US.



  • My point is moreso that while the modern US is at best fascist aligned at worst outright fascistic the first 50 years or so fall into the same category as Rome, the Carolingian empire, or Babylon wherein it was far enough in the past that our modern descriptions don’t quite work due to just how different the world was. For context it wasn’t until the latter half of those first 50 years that steam power starts to refine enough to be usable let alone viable.

    I try to caution inflicting modernism unto the past and that includes describing ideologies and tendencies that at the time didn’t exist, because you get weirdness like how Julius Caesar was technically to the left of Mamdani when it came to food distribution and rent increases for context Caesar stopped the collection of rent outright and gave out free grain in quantities enough to feed a family.


  • Proto would imply that there’s a direct line between them and fascism but it’s more like a deranged series of foot paths that are just as likely to lead to anarchism. Reminder folks from John Brown to Ho Chi Minh had respect for the revolutionaries even with their own critiques, also as I noted there is a far more direct line from the institutions of feudalism and monarchy to fascism. But political ideology at the time was weird and hard to classify within taxonomy, for example the Utopians who were the proto-socialists explicitly were also pro-slavery because they couldn’t think of other ways for mass manufacturing.



  • I will not deny that but I will note that when push comes to shove it’s basically the only issue that breaks through party lines. Progressives and a good number of liberals were and are talking about all the other shit, but a lot of independents either don’t know or are so fucking checked out that they can’t really care, there was some of that energy with the files for example but that is abstract as a day to day issue. The cost of fuel though affects everything and everyone, when push comes to shove peoples ideology becomes irrelevant to the hunger in their stomach or in this case the gaping hole in their finances.

    While it may be frustrating it does make sense that gas prices are causing an uproar since basically everyone is bitching about it regardless of their politics or ideology.









  • Ugh even worse, trust me I’ve had basically every mainstream legune and have found them to be horrible. Don’t know why it’s so bad for me besides the autism but I would have to legit be in full on starvation to want to eat them, basically having my instincts override my preferences assuming I wouldn’t just register them as invalid food sources.