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LMAO
I wonder if I’ll ever read a coherent definition of the term “techbro”. Aren’t most KDE (and other FOSS) developers also men interested in technology? If that isn’t the definition of “techbro”, then what is?
Do not stop the war against techbros simply because we can’t settle a perfect, concrete, legal definition of them.
If I don’t know what that means I’m fighting against, I won’t be fighting against “techbros”, not even using that term. I might still fight against specific things they are doing…
Id say the “bro” in techbros is more derogatory in this definition… like a techflog perhaps.
in this particular context; Someone, typically an investor, who is convinced that their “tech” of choice (AI) is the future, despite the well documented cost and not-so-long-concerns of pursuing said “tech” (ie Winning the “AI Race” whatever that is), to the determent of well being of the environment and/or humanity.
Investor? The word you’re looking for is grifter
OK, if it is intended mainly as a description of investors and other “business” enthusiasts, then I agree with fighting against what they want.
Investor Enthusiast, but yes… Also, Companies aren’t people, their CEO and Board of Directors are. And those would also qualify.
Why the hate in AI that much? I totally get it the impact in environment when building dc but the latest CVE exploit was discovered with AI assistance.
Why do AI bros get so defensive when any single aspect of AI or its implementation is criticized, as though criticism of noise polluting, resource leeching, hardware hoarding datacenters owned by tech oligarchs whose only prerogative is making the most money possible and obtaining the largest amount of power over people they possibly can is necessarily a statement that AI should never exist or be used in any capacity for any reason ever?
Why shouldn’t we kill political dissidents and use their bodies for research and medicine? Some people really benefit from those organs!
Why shouldn’t we? This is just another reason why people like ICE agents are more useful when they’re dead
- Water Cost. Nuff Said. How would you like some freshly made sewage?
- Disrupts Communities (try visiting and staying for an hour)
- Releases Toxic Gas that WILL KILL said communities over not-so-long period of time.
- Has already consumed more energy in a couple of months, than entire cities do in the span of a YEAR.
- Is the only thing keeping US Economy alive at this moment, and not really much of an “Economy”.
- Has greatly contributed to the Human Disconnect. Which has lead to people isolating and only talking with their AI Companions, some of which have directed them to off themselves. And some still use it over seeking professional help.
- Is being used domestically and by US “Allies” to do mass surveillance, even gets innocent people tagged for arrest, which is the US and “Allies” Police’s favorite sport.
- Continuing previous point; and in many more cases, it’s used to run autonomous weapons that ARE CURRENTLY KILLING innocent people in Gaza and now Lebanon, and they also being used against Iran.
- Creates mediocre solutions most of the time. Sometimes the solution is actually decent.
- Has single-handedly caused the PC Market to come to a grinding halt.
- Has caused companies to basically replace human workers, with hallucination machines that again, do all of the above.
- Can you browse US Social media without running into AI?
But yes, tell me about Gemini versus GPT 6 vs Claude.
GPT-6 is a thing now?
and also i think self hosting solves most/half of this, also dont forget, Copyright violation.
I assume most people see that AI does more bad than good. There are legitimate use cases but it’s not possible to decouple them from the negative impacts. Power usage, resource shortages, water waste, environmental harms, disinformation, power concentration, IP theft and more are ll things that come even with the good uses of AI. And if it is so strongly coupled there is a two sides argument that evolves from that. Either you accept all the negatives for the positives (or don’t see the negatives as negative) or you find that the positives don’t outweigh the negatives. That often means you are either for or against AI.
KDE’s mascot is such a cute design
i like software mascots in general.
I especially like the three green plants on this logo that spell out KKK.
Genuinely thought that was what the post was about. Someone oughtta make one of those Ks backward
Nah it’s valid, but should issue a statement telling racists to fuck off just in case they thought this was a wink to them
There are already two backward Ks on the heads of the traditionally-gendered mascots.
Cleaning up the world and roasting AI datacenters in the same post is peak KDE energy. Honestly, respect.
KDE is the best DE
It looks like the mascot is animorphing into a laptop
Reject animal, return to computer.
Not the weirdest furry transformation I’ve seen
One of Konqi’s lesser known powers.
Based KDE, per usual
All those years of roasting made them unstoppable, goddamn
Roasting? What did i miss?
lol 30 hectares of woodland… thats about 300,000 m², or 42 NHL sized ice rinks
What is this, Canada? We measure things by football field around here dagnabbit
Yes, they are literally commenting from a Canadian server
My bad, it would be about 36–37 CFL football fields (but I’d double check that math if I was you… or @[email protected] 😅️)>
Yeah and planting 30 trees take about an hour. Smhmh.
Is that ice rink regulation? I get 91 (if you don’t worry about packing the round corners).
i love that you saw that and was like “hmm, better check that maths”
I believe so, I calculated the area of the NHL rinks using lots of popsicle sticks, a flashlight (cause the lights were off), and a broom. In hindsight maybe I should have included a calculator but I ain’t no nerd! /s
Either way, that’s a lot of land to cover.
I would 100% rescue 30 pcs… If I had the opportunity
Sadly, it seems like they’re going to be pro AI internally: https://discuss.kde.org/t/sorry-to-bring-up-a-contentious-topic-kde-ai-llm-policy/46333 (If you jump in to comment, please try to be constructive rather than full of rage.)
There are appropriate and legitimate use cases for AI, especially when locally hosted. Tech/programming is one of the few. The problem is when its shoved in everyones face for everything and all the data goes to tech conglomerates
agreed, or even using something like Adobe Firefly.(it only trains on Public domain images)
I rly? Hm
atleast it claims its “Ethical” by only training on public domain images.
Some of us respectfully disagree with LLMs for programming being “appropriate and legitimate”, at least if that involves generating code and not just locating bugs.
Local LLMs retain significant issues like the one shown in this clip: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/38072#issuecomment-4105681567 Unless your model uses 100% properly licensed training data which no code LLM I have found appears to be doing.
Locating bugs is one of the most important tasks in programming, and if devs can’t do that, not are willing to learn to do so, they are fucked.
There’s no other way of saying it. Can’t wait for the AI bubble to pop.
LLMs can sometimes point out potential trouble spots, which is also one of the uses that may avoid injecting problematic code (if the LLM is prevented from suggesting a fix). But sadly, that doesn’t seem the type of use KDE is currently limiting themselves to.
Damm, that is a long thread, I spent like 25 minutes reading it and only got half way through it
Given the nature of this controversial subject are you honestly surprised?
Yeah, not really.
Especially because this is FOSS. We love our insanely long discussions about formalities.
Yeah, I’ve seen much longer threads about things much less consequential. People like to argue online. More news at 11.
Made me lol, really. The innocuousness of that bullet point
I don’t have the space to plant 30 trees unless it’s in the form of a hedge, but hey, I could plant 30 of some other perennials. Been considering lilacs. Grew up with them around some of the places I’d visit and I can’t get the smell out of my head, even if it’s just for 2 weeks a summer. Though I guess I could see if I can get a variety of different cultivars that would flower at different times
Do you happen to live in North America? If so I’d highly recommend checking out the Xerces society plant lists for recommended species that support local pollinators. The plant lists include timing info for suggestions on what would bloom the rest of the year, because as you mention lilacs are fairly short bloomers (might I recommend my namesake, the humble fireweed, which is a late summer bloomer?)
Northeastern Europe actually. I’m sure there’s a list I can find with timing info for my country, but Google was kinda useless. I found a bunch of articles telling me I should be planting clover, but that already naturally grows in my lawn lol
Convert 30 people to a free operating system
This is a detraction from the point of this post, but I wanted to express my feelings on this anyway.
I don’t feel great about that suggestion because Linux (anecdotally) has a serious problem of fanboyism and the community is notorious for driving people away from Linux because they’re too pushy. I feel that veganism has the same issue.
Sure, you might do this in a more constructive way like up cycling or refurbishing old machines to run Linux and donating them out to people in need, thus introducing them to the world of Linux and normalising an alternative OS - but is that “converting” them?
If you are converting people, then you must have them also ditch Windows, MacOS, iOS and Android with Play Services. That, to me, is unreasonable and not the approach the Linux community should be taking.
For me, I tend to show, not tell. I’ll use Linux casually as I would any other system, and if anyone asks me about it or expresses interest, I’ll answer their questions honestly. If they do want to move to Linux, I’ll help them where I can, but I wait for them to want to do it.
Your comparison of Linux fanboyism and veganism is on-point (I am a Linux user since 2001). However, regarding “converting” them - this picture is a joke, not really to be taken seriously.
Since I’ve been unemployed, I’ve been taking on more “pay what you can” work for friends and neighbors.
You know what a whole lot of people are struggling with right now? Their somewhat outdated laptops, that were always budget priced and underpowered, are practically self-immolating they’re trying so hard to run Windows 11. Its so bloated and ad-and-ai-riddled that it just plain sucks to use now.
They’re so fed up that when I’m like “Linux is pretty easy to use these days. I can set you up with Mint in a couple of hours?” They’re usually ready to try if it means a useful computer again. And setting them up for my friends made me happy and excited about computers in a way I haven’t felt since childhood.
I set up some open source audio and DJ stuff for a podcasting and dabbling musician friend, Krita for an artsy friend, etc. These are mostly just web browser and word processors, but I get to ensure my friends are using ad blockers and a privacy enhanced browser, libre office instead of MS. And they get some fun! Computers used to be fun; little wonder boxes that wanted to help you do the things you loved better.
Yeah okay, that makes a lot of sense and isn’t as extreme as I thought the original post to be. I suppose that for me, I used to push Linux way too hard on my friends and when I saw what I was doing, I hard pivoted away from pushing it to hardly even mentioning it unless it comes up in conversation.
But clearly there’s a very agreeable and respectful middle ground where you can bring it up as a legitimate tool to solve a very real problem for people putting up with the woes of Windows 11.
I see what you’re saying but is it possible that you might have a negative bias to the word “convert”?
My father in law asked me to reinstall Windows on his 10 year old laptop to make run faster. I advised that he will face the same problem with windows and suggested Linux mint as an alternative. I cloned his drive as a backup incase he didn’t like the change, did a clean install on Linux Mint, and showed him the ropes on how to navigate the OS. It’s been a few months now and he doesn’t miss windows and his laptop is more responsive as ever.
Could I say I converted him?
That’s a fair way of doing it I think, and I think you’re right in that I did have a negative bias towards “converting” as I tended to imagine something more extreme akin to a cult.
