oh god. Another one of these. I’ll bite. How is China imperialist? Bonus points if you don’t mention Uyghurs because that’s not imperialism and the zenz/ US propaganda has been widely debunked.
12 dash line, Belt and road is just neo-colonialism debt traps and soft power grabs, consistent threats to the sovereignty of Bhutan, Taiwan, the Phillipines and more. Financial and material aid to both sides of the conflict in Myanmar, weapon sales to Russia for use in Ukraine, etc.
You’re either incredibly dishonest or incredibly fucking stupid
Depends on the definition. In Lenin’s Imperialism, the highest form of capitalism, he defines five criteria:
And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its complete development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life;
the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy;
the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance;
the formation of international monopolist capitalist combines which share the world among themselves, and
the territorial division of the whole world among the
biggest capitalist powers is completed.
1 and 2 apply with some caveats, 3 and 4 are a yes (WTO, UN, BRICS, etc), and 5 should be seen through a soft-power neo colonialist lens with China’s influence in Africa for example.
This is not meant to be anti-China or whatever, anything China has done pales in comparison with US imperialism, just that I don’t think it’s a completely baseless accusation.
“Widely debunked” is a funny way to say “I really like to downplay this”, but excluding the active genocide, China is actively yoinking and creating islands, debt trapping countries, etc
Reeducation, or even whatever label you want to put on what China is doing with Uyghur Muslims is NOT genocide and not even close. And this post is about imperialism, not genocide, and genocide IS happening to Muslim countries with the direct support of almost every western country. Debt trapping which countries? Taiwan? Snatching up islands? Wtf are you talking about?
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Reeducation camps are an effort to destroy Uighur culture and are absolutely a genocide. At least 4 of those 5 conditions are met. You don’t need gas chambers or mass extermination, that’s just one way genocide can manifest.
Detainees had no privacy. They were monitored at all times, including when they ate, slept, and
used the toilet. They were forbidden to talk freely with other detainees. When detainees were
permitted to speak – to other detainees, guards, or teachers – they were required to speak in Mandarin Chinese, a language many of them, especially older people and those from more rural
areas in Xinjiang, did not speak or understand. Detainees were physically punished if they spoke
in a language other than Mandarin.
There was insufficient food, water, exercise, healthcare, sanitary and hygienic conditions, fresh
air, and exposure to natural light. Detainees had draconian restrictions placed on their ability to
urinate and defecate. All detainees were required to “work” one- or two-hour shifts monitoring their
cellmates every night. Many former detainees reported that during the first few days, weeks, or
sometimes months after arriving at the internment camps, they were forced to do nothing but sit
still – often in terribly uncomfortable positions – for nearly the entire day.
At some point after arriving nearly all detainees were subjected to highly regimented classes.
The typical schedule included three or four hours of classes after breakfast. Then detainees had
lunch and a short “rest”, which often involved sitting still on a stool or with their heads still on
their desks. After lunch there was another three or four hours of classes and then dinner, followed
by a few hours to sit or kneel on a stool and silently “review” the day’s material or to watch more
“educational” videos. At nearly all times during classes, detainees were required to look straight
ahead and not to speak with their classmates. Classes often involved memorizing and reciting “red”
songs – that is, revolutionary songs that praise the CCP and the People’s Republic of China.
Source I highly recommend downloading and reading the whole report.
On December 9, 2021, the Tribunal delivered its judgment. In its judgment, the Tribunal established the following facts. Hundreds of thousands to over one million were arbitrarily detained and exposed to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment. Testimony described overcrowded cells, sometimes holding around 50 detainees in roughly 22 square meters (or 237 square feet), with little space to lie down. Detainees used buckets as toilets, monitored by Closed-Circuit Television (CCTV), with no privacy.10
Detainees were tortured without any legitimate reasons. Witnesses identified a range of torture practices, such as fingernail removal, beatings, extended immobilization in “tiger chairs,” immersion in cold water, and confinement in cages too small to stand or lie down. Multiple testimonies described long-term heavy shackles and restraints, in some cases lasting for months.11
Widespread sexual violence occurred, affecting both male and female detainees. One account described the gang rape of a young woman, about 20 or 21, in front of roughly 100 other detainees forced to watch. Female detainees faced sexual assaults with electric devices and metal rods. Some were raped by people who paid for access to detention facilities. Witnesses reported severe food deprivation (sometimes withheld as a punitive measure), solitary confinement in dark or always-lit cells, long-term sleep deprivation, and humiliation.12
Deaths were linked to abuses in detention. Testimony indicated that younger detainees were occasionally taken from cells and subsequently disappeared. However, there is no evidence of systematic mass killings. In fact, many detainees were eventually released. Some were released after three to six months, others after years of imprisonment or repeated torture, though often only to be detained again.13
Witnesses described various forms of nonphysical mistreatment, including mandatory political indoctrination where detainees were required to sing pro-CCP songs under threat of punishment. Detainees were given unidentified pills or injections, sometimes causing reproductive or psychological changes. Witnesses described unexplained blood draws and medical procedures. Testimonies included coerced abortions with some late terms, and claims of newborns killed after delivery.14
Good luck convincing tankies with that definition. They will just claim the definition doesn’t count because “the UN is a Western imperialist facade pushing US propaganda.” The same goes for any source that doesn’t agree with their ideals, for that matter.
You can literally go to xianxang today and talk to Uyghur Muslims. If that’s genocide yall don’t wanna hear about black people in USA… You’re all fuckin insane lol
It helps if you insist the natural state of Chinese territory is a balkinized patchwork of ethnic enclaves fighting border wars “Romance of the Three Kingdoms” style, and the amalgamation of territory over 3000 years of dynastic rule gets dumped on the head of the current government.
Bonus points if you don’t mention Uyghurs
Uyghurs are the only Muslim group that the NAFO crowd are allowed to empathize with. And only when they’re local to the Tarim Basin. God help you if you’re a Uyghur living in Europe or Southeast Asia or the United States because they’re not welcome.
the zenz/ US propaganda
Mentioning the name of Adrian Zenz, the history of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (and where it gets its money), or any choice passages from the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation marks you out as a Wumao Far-Left Ultra-Stalinist Botfarm with cooties and a stupid face.
oh god. Another one of these. I’ll bite. How is China imperialist? Bonus points if you don’t mention Uyghurs because that’s not imperialism and the zenz/ US propaganda has been widely debunked.
Have you ever heard of Tibet?
Hong Kong? Taiwan?
Yes? Yes?
China has been acting like shit in Hong Kong, but it was originally Chinese territory. So I wouldn’t count that as imperialism.
China’s behavior in the South China Sea is a much better example.
Yes?
bait = grabbed lol
Apparently. Summoned a storm of lib bots. Lol
“People don’t agree with me? Must be bots, since I’m obviously never wrong.”
dawg some of these replies straight up don’t make sense
12 dash line, Belt and road is just neo-colonialism debt traps and soft power grabs, consistent threats to the sovereignty of Bhutan, Taiwan, the Phillipines and more. Financial and material aid to both sides of the conflict in Myanmar, weapon sales to Russia for use in Ukraine, etc.
You’re either incredibly dishonest or incredibly fucking stupid
They’re tankies… They’re both.
Depends on the definition. In Lenin’s Imperialism, the highest form of capitalism, he defines five criteria:
1 and 2 apply with some caveats, 3 and 4 are a yes (WTO, UN, BRICS, etc), and 5 should be seen through a soft-power neo colonialist lens with China’s influence in Africa for example.
This is not meant to be anti-China or whatever, anything China has done pales in comparison with US imperialism, just that I don’t think it’s a completely baseless accusation.
What isn’t a baseless accusation, are you talking about Taiwan? Or Tibet?
Anyone following the thread can see that the “accusation” being referred to is China being imperialist.
“Widely debunked” is a funny way to say “I really like to downplay this”, but excluding the active genocide, China is actively yoinking and creating islands, debt trapping countries, etc
Reeducation, or even whatever label you want to put on what China is doing with Uyghur Muslims is NOT genocide and not even close. And this post is about imperialism, not genocide, and genocide IS happening to Muslim countries with the direct support of almost every western country. Debt trapping which countries? Taiwan? Snatching up islands? Wtf are you talking about?
Source
Reeducation camps are an effort to destroy Uighur culture and are absolutely a genocide. At least 4 of those 5 conditions are met. You don’t need gas chambers or mass extermination, that’s just one way genocide can manifest.
Source I highly recommend downloading and reading the whole report.
Source
You don’t get to be against one genocide and not another. Stop being a piece of shit shill and do some research.
Good luck convincing tankies with that definition. They will just claim the definition doesn’t count because “the UN is a Western imperialist facade pushing US propaganda.” The same goes for any source that doesn’t agree with their ideals, for that matter.
You can literally go to xianxang today and talk to Uyghur Muslims. If that’s genocide yall don’t wanna hear about black people in USA… You’re all fuckin insane lol
It helps if you insist the natural state of Chinese territory is a balkinized patchwork of ethnic enclaves fighting border wars “Romance of the Three Kingdoms” style, and the amalgamation of territory over 3000 years of dynastic rule gets dumped on the head of the current government.
Uyghurs are the only Muslim group that the NAFO crowd are allowed to empathize with. And only when they’re local to the Tarim Basin. God help you if you’re a Uyghur living in Europe or Southeast Asia or the United States because they’re not welcome.
Mentioning the name of Adrian Zenz, the history of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (and where it gets its money), or any choice passages from the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation marks you out as a Wumao Far-Left Ultra-Stalinist Botfarm with cooties and a stupid face.
What