Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. … Yeah it’s not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It’s not illegal.
Thats what the magas don’t get either.
“Well they shouldn’t have been here illegally”
They weren’t. No one is here illegally because there are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented.
That’s kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
Who doesn’t get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there’s a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here “illegally” didn’t even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn’t pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that’s usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
Also even “illegal” immigrants are mostly asylum. You can’t wait in their country for asylum application to process while your government is trying to arrest/kill you.
Well when the laws don’t work for the people, they are more likely to break them. As you say, it’s understandable.
The laws and regulations that need fixed.
I knew this guy I met while helping out at a community garden and they kept having problems with school kids walking through the garden lot. Not intentionally stepping on plants but part of the path they were wearing into the ground did go through the watermelon patch.
The back of the school basically emptied out to the back of the garden lot. So kids would cut through it to get home.
This garden guy kept complaining about them. Said they were going to have to pay for a big fence.
I said. Well these kids have to walk around 3 blocks to not cut through. They aren’t going to do that. And isn’t it kinda rude to force them to? (Based on how worn the foot path was) I said, They’ve been walking through here for years.
Maybe instead of a fence. Make a path for them.
They will walk on a path if it’s efficient. And then you can direct them from walking on the plants and making a dirt path that gets muddy when it rains.
Nope. Too much work.
Fence.
I still think my idea was better. Make spaces work for people. Make guidelines that work for the people . And then people won’t be breaking them.
What?
We are talking about undocumented people in the U.S and I gave an example about how restrictions don’t help the problem but we could instead make it work for both parties.
Did you reply to the wrong comment ?
Lenient restriction is the one that not working, comparing to stricter one like in North Korea and China, these kind of violation was so rare even next to nothing.
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. … Yeah it’s not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It’s not illegal.
Thats what the magas don’t get either. “Well they shouldn’t have been here illegally”
They weren’t. No one is here illegally because there are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented. That’s kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
Who doesn’t get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there’s a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
I am so confused.
We are talking about undocumented immigrants and foreigners in the U.S.
Why would you want anyone to immigrate to this country? Trump is just going to rape them
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here “illegally” didn’t even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn’t pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
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No offense, but if you don’t detain them then how can you document them properly?
They document themselves.
If they don’t, well. Who cares ?
Most places won’t hire undocumented. That actually is illegal.
If they commit crimes they get arrested and deported.
If they aren’t committing crimes then why do I care if they are here or not?
They can’t get food stamps or unemployment. They don’t drain any resource.
Most undocumented people here in the U.S are here for family reasons. Asylum. Or sometimes work related. Not nefarious reasons.
If they are criminals then they are illegal and police should nab them. Send to prison or deport.
If we made it easier to self document and allowed to stay, more people would register.
People document themselves when registering visa, if they don’t do or stay longer than permitted it is violation, duh. Is it needed an explanation?
Immigrant here, asylum specifically.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that’s usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
Also even “illegal” immigrants are mostly asylum. You can’t wait in their country for asylum application to process while your government is trying to arrest/kill you.
It still a violation of immigration rule no offense. But knowing how muslim countries treating minority the situation is understandable
Well when the laws don’t work for the people, they are more likely to break them. As you say, it’s understandable.
The laws and regulations that need fixed.
I knew this guy I met while helping out at a community garden and they kept having problems with school kids walking through the garden lot. Not intentionally stepping on plants but part of the path they were wearing into the ground did go through the watermelon patch.
The back of the school basically emptied out to the back of the garden lot. So kids would cut through it to get home.
This garden guy kept complaining about them. Said they were going to have to pay for a big fence.
I said. Well these kids have to walk around 3 blocks to not cut through. They aren’t going to do that. And isn’t it kinda rude to force them to? (Based on how worn the foot path was) I said, They’ve been walking through here for years.
Maybe instead of a fence. Make a path for them. They will walk on a path if it’s efficient. And then you can direct them from walking on the plants and making a dirt path that gets muddy when it rains.
Nope. Too much work. Fence.
I still think my idea was better. Make spaces work for people. Make guidelines that work for the people . And then people won’t be breaking them.
No, I say it’s understandable because lunatics in muslim countries tend to kill minority. How can your analogy relevant in this discussion?
What? We are talking about undocumented people in the U.S and I gave an example about how restrictions don’t help the problem but we could instead make it work for both parties.
Did you reply to the wrong comment ?
Lenient restriction is the one that not working, comparing to stricter one like in North Korea and China, these kind of violation was so rare even next to nothing.