I hope the penalties for cop corruption in China are the same as the ones for politicians.
- In a typical example of proletarian police accountability, the CPC sentences a police officer to death for killing a pregnant woman in a restaurant in southern China.
- Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
Lol, another “China good, America bad” post. Classic.
Always followed up with accusations of American/Western indoctrination if you disagree. Bonus points for sinophobia accusation if you say anything bad about China. 🥱
These kinds of maximalist statements you’re making reek of the conservative “I got kicked out just for having a different opinion!”
Like yeah actually if the “anything bad” you say is the same Epstein empire propaganda bullshit meant to justify bombing shitloads of people, people with a mind and soul will react poorly to that.
mls on their way to defend the peoples police performing the peoples evictions on behalf of the peoples landlord
Oh you like China? How does it feel to like [thing that is a problem in capitalist countries but largely doesn’t happen in China], commie
Looking forward to coming back in a bit and reading some of the lib-outs in the comment section.
Watering my libs
There’s already one.
lol
That sure didn’t take long.
i sometimes wonder if i sounded like them before i discovered lemmy.
but muh bourne supremacy
All cops are bad actually.
Cops exist to protect the ruling class of a given society. In the west, that class is the capitalist class. In socialism, that class is the working classes. Until we get to classless society, police in socialism serve a necessary role that must be accountable to the people.
The ruling class in China is not the working class.
Public ownership is the principal aspect of China’s economy, and capitalists are held on a tight leash to focus on developing the productive forces. The large firms and key industries in China are publicly owned, it’s only the small and medium firms that are private.
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Moreover, the economy in the PRC is socialist, with public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
Any informed opinions on whether Chinese people are in general more or less racist than Americans?
🤷 There’s no universal, coherent definition for racism, and if there were, we’d still have to run two very large, expensive research/polling projects. Also these are extremely large populations (on extremely large territories), neither of which is monolithic. Also, how racist a people are doesn’t necessarily align with how racist a state is. In an online forum, it’s the kind of question that mostly just exposes some people’s existing prejudices.
I ask mostly rhetorically to shed light on the idea that state mistreatment of ethnic minorities is a persistent human issue, and that it should be condemned wherever it occurs. The USA’s hands may be uniquely bloodied, but I doubt China’s are squeaky clean. I would expect any state of sufficient size and power to eventually be guilty of this.
I wonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA, and whether this should be considered a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
I wonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA, and whether this should be considered a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
the defining characteristic(s) of an ethnic minority is a artificial distinction that the culture you exist within conditions you to regard as important and it will be different from one culture to the next.
thanks to colonialism, some of it will have a superficial analogue to your own culture, but the ingrained distinctions stretch back for hundreds to thousands of years longer and most are imperceptible to foreigners; hence the entire “monoculture” assumption by westerners of the (mostly) non-melinated variety.
I wonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA
Far, FAR from it; China is gigantic with many different cultures and ethnicities, much like the Soviet Union was. One of the reasons why they both made it work easily is because they focused on what made them the same rather than capitalism melting their brains and telling them to be as divided as possible. We have a huge cultural problem where people are beginning to fall for this stupidity about ethnic and cultural homogeneity being cornerstones in a peaceful society, forgetting entirely that WW2 is what happens when the only ethnicity and culture is white and some imagined white culture.
Different regions in China have their own cultural differences but you don’t have a Chen Xiaopiro or similar crying about how this region or that celebrates that festival while most of China celebrates this other festival. I think even the government itself doesn’t allow divisive rhetoric in the first place, which, you know, good; freedom of speech shouldn’t be allowed to be a double edged sword.
Heck, Xinjiang maintains their own Uyghur language which is not only protected, but exists in their signs and apparently even the currency they use there has their (Arabic?) text on it as well. Tibet suffered unfortunately from some horrific cultural genocide during Mao’s time, wherein slaves were given their freedom and slave owners were made to be equal to everyone else, and unfortunately modern day Tibetans no longer recall or value the glory days of slavery, but their unique Tibetic languages are still alive and spoken there, and there hasn’t been this cultural erasure (short of ending slavery) that you got with Native Americans. I recall a discussion between a Uyghur and a guy in the states where he pointed out that Native American languages, many of them, were killed off and official institutions in regions where Native Americans live operate in English, whereas in the many different regions of China their unique dialects and languages are still alive and well.
Like I mentioned, the Chinese government itself also does what it can to stamp out divisive rhetoric, and honestly good; if we went a year with divisive rhetoric being stamped out, the division in our country would disintegrate. No more divisive rhetoric in the news, no more bigoted losers on youtube, straight up bans on all social media of people trying to divide the country, and the people grow closer again. The division that does exist however is entirely artificial; literally what cultural differences exist that would cause hostility? One group celebrates Christmas while another doesn’t? One group likes mostly Mexican food while the other doesn’t? The news and social media losers literally keep harping on and on and on about this nonsense and dividing people entirely artificially for political purposes, and they convince you that you came to your conclusions entirely on your own when in reality they never stop going on and on and on about this nonsense and trying to make you think this way of thinking is normal.
Chen Xiaopiro
陈傻逼肉
Tibet suffered unfortunately from some horrific cultural genocide during Mao’s time, wherein slaves were given their freedom and slave owners were made to be equal to everyone else,
You almost fucking had me lmao
I wonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA, and whether this should be considered a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
China isn’t a more equitable system because of ethnic homogeneity. That “high trust society” shit is a dead end if you’re really trying to figure out why the world works the way it does.
I lwonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA,
It comes across as extremely insincere to just pose these questions publicly. If you actually wondered that, you would look it up. What you’re actually doing is covertly implying an answer that you think is true and would never question, without having the spine to actually state that answer yourself because you know that you have no actual facts to back up what you’re suggesting.
I’m actually curious and wondering out loud for the sake of discussion. I have my own bias like everyone else, but I asked because I want to explore it rather than project half-baked opinions, so I pose the question for discussion. It’s a not a trivial question to get an answer for by googling.
It’s a not a trivial question to get an answer for by googling.
I literally googled “ethnic groups in china wikipedia” and “ethnic groups in the US wikipedia” and the results (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States) seem to immediately and unambiguously reject the idea of China as some kind of homogenous ethnostate that the US can’t emulate because it has too high a concentration of melanin or whatever fascist bullshit you were trying to say.
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Given that China’s population is overwhelmingly more ethnically and culturally homogeneous
What? It’s more diverse, not less. There are hundreds of living indigenous languages in China, and some of which aren’t even in the Sino-Tibetan language family. Just as one example, there are a several of Turkish ethnic groups, which are different from each other, and very different from Han, Tibetan, Koreanic, etc. cultures.
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Turns out it’s easy to claim you’re more diverse when you count people who’s great great great grandfather’s came from different cities in the British Islands as different ethnic groups, but consider everyone East of the Urals to be an undifferentiated mass
mistreatment of ethnic minorities
I mean… there’s a genocide occurring in China right now.
There is no genocide of Uyghurs. Uyghur genocide atrocity propaganda akin to claiming that there’s “white genocide” in South Africa, Christian genocide in Nigeria, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies in Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.
In the case of Xinjiang, the area is crucial in the Belt and Road Initiative, so the west backed sepratist groups in order to destabilize the region. China responded with vocational programs and de-radicalization efforts, which the west then twisted into claims of “genocide.” Nevermind that the west responds to seperatism with mass violence, and thus re-education programs focused on rehabilitation are far more humane, the tool was used both for outright violence by the west into a useful narrative to feed its own citizens.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report as well as (especially) China’s response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail.These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, Christian nationalist and professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does. Zenz’ work has been thoroughly discredited, yet is supported by western media for its utility in fearmongering. An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of “forced sterilization,” from this chart:
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this. Has there been mistreatment? Almost certainly to some degree, in a campaign as large as this. Is it genocide, be it cultural or outright? No, Uyghur culture is preserved and there are no mass killings.
No there isn’t.
Yeah sure. Just like there’s a genocide occurring in South Africa right now, right?
And 400 bazillion dead protestors in Iran
And 400 decapitated babies in ovens
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incredible. using the arrest of two canadian spies (yes, we know they’re spies, otherwise the canadian govt would never have paid them millions in a settlement when they got back to canada) as proof that chinese police are monsters.
maybe dont do spying?
not to mention that china arrested these two spies in response to canada arresting a chinese business person for no reason except that the US asked them to.
incredible. using the arrest of two canadian spies (yes, we know they’re spies, otherwise the canadian govt would never have paid them millions in a settlement when they got back to canada) as proof that chinese police are monsters.
On top of that using the Hong Kong the riots where rioters decided to kill and maim their police and then demanded not to be prosecuted because they wanted complete immunity for their vandalism as they wanted to spite their government for a law introduced to jail a murderer of a young Taiwanese woman because the ugly young man couldn’t handle a breakup. Not because they thought the murderer was innocent, but because they despised the fact that the vast majority of today’s immigrants from mainland China that arrive in Hong Kong do not see them themselves as refugees like a generation before, but as equals or more in touch with their homeland than the isolated Anglo-Americanized Hong Kongers who saw themselves as elevated above the rest of China and a lot of these newcomers started to work as government officials like the police or railway, which is why they also kept setting metro stations on fire.
Hello CIA sleeper agent
Shit, you blew my cover!!! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck what am I going to do with my life 😭😭😭
Using Wikipedia and Amnesty as source for China’s oppression
You are a living caricature my dude.
What is wrong with using Wikipedia and Amnesty as a source?
Both of them are liberal propaganda outlets. ProleWiki has some good sources on them.
Isn’t ProleWiki explicitly ideological wiki aligned with Marxist-Leninist / pro-socialist perspectives? Moreover, Amnesty International has reported on alleged human-rights abuses by many different governments, including Western countries as well as China.
You are free to check AI and Wikipedia’s connections to intelligence services from any sources you want.
Their criticism of Western abuse is good, they have some legit talking points. But the alleged Chinese and other AES abuses are grounded on the anticommunist talking points instead of real research. They say “both side bad” for the purpose of making people accept their realities instead of motivating them for a real civil rights movements.
I mean, it’s not like Amnesty Internation regularly criticizes the US, especially in the current situation. But oh, it said something against the CCP, I guess it must be bad.
There’s a difference between actively fighting against Hitler and saying Hitler bad but Stalin is worse. The latter includes a milquetoast criticism of Hitler and regurgitation of CIA and other alphabet mafia propaganda points.
And it is CPC, not “CPP”. CPC stands for “Communist Party of China” go check your facts libshit.
- I am here to serve and protect the elite
- I kill blacks to serve the elite
Is the same picture
In both cases, what you meant is the ruling class. Thankfully, the ruling class in china is the working class.
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Public ownership is the principal aspect of China’s economy, and capitalists are held on a tight leash to focus on developing the productive forces. The large firms and key industries in China are publicly owned, it’s only the small and medium firms that are private.
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Moreover, the economy in the PRC is socialist, with public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
