• Klox@lemmy.world
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    Was he put into the casket alive with a poison triggered by a random event? If so, love that conviction.

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      Fun fact!

      Schrodinger originally put forth his “cat in a box” thought experiment to make fun of what he thought was a ridiculous model of reality (the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics).

      Schrödinger did not wish to promote the idea of dead-and-live cats as a serious possibility; on the contrary, he intended the example to illustrate the absurdity of the existing view of quantum mechanics, thus employing reductio ad absurdum.

      The fact that the people he was trying to criticize latched onto his analogy and started enthusiastically using it for demonstrative purposes annoyed the shit out of him.

      Not-so-fun bonus fact: Schrodinger was also a grooming pedophile rapist.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger#Sexual_abuse_allegations

      • red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        My understanding of quantum physics collapses when observed. I feel like I don’t get some of the fundamental ideas. Like I think I understand that the wave function is a superposition of several eigenstates of a particle. Just probabilities until observed. What I don’t get is the apparent requirement for the observation to influence the observed state (Heisenberg?) and thus the need for information to travel, maybe even faster than light. I fully see Einstein et.al.'s problems with that. Except that it’s not possible to transmit real information superluminal. But still entangled particles need to communicate the observed state. That part I don’t understand at all. Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen’s idea of particles determining the state upon entanglement through some unknown local variables makes so much more sense. But then Bell somehow proved that this could not be, because for some reason the Copenhagen interpretation yields around 25% disagreement in some experiment and local variables 33% and Bell always measured 25%. I don’t even understand why the disagreement rate would be different.

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          There is a lot of confusion because physicists changed the meaning of “locality” since the EPR paper to refer to relativistic locality (sending information faster than light) which was not what Einstein was on about. Einstein’s locality is probably most succently summarized as such:

          • ∀x(Var(Pr(S’|S))=Var(Pr(S’|S∪x))) where x∉S

          In this case, assume a bunch of particles are interacting, and S is the state of a system of interacting particles prior to the interaction, and S’ is the state of the system of interacting particles after the interaction. We then want to look at the variance (statistical spread) of the probability distribution of S’ preconditioned on S, that is to say, a prediction of the state of the system after the interaction given complete knowledge of the state of the system prior to interaction, and then compare that to the variance of another prediction where we precondition both on S and x, where x is the state of something outside of the system of interacting particles.

          If a theory is local, then the two should always be equal for any possible value of x. This is because the outcome of a local interaction should only be determined by everything participating in the local interaction, that is to say, S, so preconditioning on complete knowledge of the initial states of everything participating in the interaction should give you sufficient knowledge to predict the outcome of the interaction, that is to say, S’, to best that is physically possible.

          If you can include something outside of the interaction, that is to say, x, and it can improve your prediction further, then it must be nonlocal because it contains irreducible dependence upon something not involved in the interaction.

          The point about the EPR paper is that if you don’t assume hidden variables, then this definition of locality is broken. Two entangled particles are said to be ontologically in a superposition of states, meaning, having complete knowledge on their states prior to the measurement interaction can only predict them both with a distribution of 50%/50%, but if you precondition on knowledge of an observer’s measurement far away, then you can improve your prediction as to your measurement of your local particle to 100% certainty, which violates this locality condition.

          This is still local in the classical case where the only reason you could improve your prediction is because you were ignorant of the initial state of the particle to begin with, so you never preconditioned on the complete initial state of the system to begin with. Hence, adding hidden variables would, supposedly, restore this notion of locality, which we can call causal locality as opposed to relativistic locality.

          What Bell’s theorem proves is that adding hidden variables does not restore causal locality. This is because, as he proves, in quantum mechanics, the state of an individual particle in a collection of entangled particles can have dependence upon the configuration of a collection of measurement devices, even though it only ever interacts with an individual measurement device. That means this violation of causal locality is intrinsic to the mathematics of the theory and is not something that just arises due to a lack of hidden variables.

          Even worse, as Bell says, adding hidden variables appears to make it “grossly nonlocal,” which by that he meant it violates relativistic locality as well. At least without introducing something like superdeterminism or retrocausality.

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    And there he lies in his closed casket hoping someone will get the joke in time. Suddenly, a shovel of dirt hitting the casket wakes him up from his stupor. No cries were loud enough, rest in peace Scrhrodie 😢

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    In an Irish Times article from Dec 11 2021, Joe Humphreys brought the personal life of one of the most famous names in quantum physics into the spotlight: allegations surfaced suggesting Erwin Schrödinger had been a paedophile. Moreover, the article summarises Schrödinger’s own journal entries as having justified his “predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius”.

    Trinity College Dublin – where Schrödinger had been based in the 1940s and 50s – responded the following April by renaming a lecture theatre which, until that point, had been named in his honour.