Just because we now call it yule (or Christmas in English speaking countries) doesn’t mean it’s no longer about the solstice/winter season like it was for thousands of years. Christ gets near zero attention for Christmas in my country. I’ve NEVER seen a nativity scene IRL.
Christ is just a later addition to a much older tradition for a lot of people. Not even an important one. Of course that’s for us atheists and pagans, not Christians.
It’s the name that’s important, though. The origin of the name Christmas is from Christianity. For the whovillians to celebrate Christmas, Christianity has to exist in their universe.
Bullshit.
Take Christ out of Christmas and you get Yule. A far older tradition, with a big feast, gifts & offerings, yule-trees, lots of candles (or bonfires and torches or whatever), probably getting drunk, and a lot of hygge/cozy good times.
All the Christianity stuff in Christmas is just layered on top of the glorious solstice celebrations. The only thing I’d miss if I were to strip any Christian stuff from Christmas, is a couple banger Xmas songs & hymns.
Ok, but does whoville celebrate Yule, or Christmas?
It doesn’t matter what holiday Christians co-opted (which I already addressed) because the origin of the name is important to the discussion, not the way the holiday is celebrated.
Mate, even the AI slop from Google gets that right:
Christmas originated as a Christian holiday celebrating Jesus’ birth but was strategically placed on December 25th by early Church leaders to coincide with and transform existing pagan winter solstice festivals, like the Roman Saturnalia and Sol Invictus, absorbing traditions like feasting, greenery (holly, mistletoe), and gift-giving to attract converts and give them new spiritual meaning, making it a blend of ancient winter solstice customs and Christian theology.
They made everyone call it Christmas, but the holiday was there before that.
You wouldn’t be able to celebrate Christmas without the Christians forcing everyone to call it that. You’d be celebrating a holiday with a different name.
If the characters in the movie call it Christmas, then a whoville Christ had to exist.
Christmas is just a name that’s used for it in English. You don’t ever pronounce it like Christ the name. There’s no point in using another name in a kids movie because then little children might not know it’s the same holiday.
In my country the name has nothing to do with Christ. We celebrate Jõulud. Though the tradition itself is older than the name. Meaning the whos can celebrate the exact same holiday with no implication of christ existing if you just switch languages.
But it’s literally a holiday started by Christians (by using pagan holidays to make converting the population easier).
Christmas wouldn’t exist for you to celebrate in a non-religious way if it wasn’t a religious holiday first.
Just because we now call it yule (or Christmas in English speaking countries) doesn’t mean it’s no longer about the solstice/winter season like it was for thousands of years. Christ gets near zero attention for Christmas in my country. I’ve NEVER seen a nativity scene IRL.
Christ is just a later addition to a much older tradition for a lot of people. Not even an important one. Of course that’s for us atheists and pagans, not Christians.
It’s the name that’s important, though. The origin of the name Christmas is from Christianity. For the whovillians to celebrate Christmas, Christianity has to exist in their universe.
Bullshit.
Take Christ out of Christmas and you get Yule. A far older tradition, with a big feast, gifts & offerings, yule-trees, lots of candles (or bonfires and torches or whatever), probably getting drunk, and a lot of hygge/cozy good times.
All the Christianity stuff in Christmas is just layered on top of the glorious solstice celebrations. The only thing I’d miss if I were to strip any Christian stuff from Christmas, is a couple banger Xmas songs & hymns.
Ok, but does whoville celebrate Yule, or Christmas?
It doesn’t matter what holiday Christians co-opted (which I already addressed) because the origin of the name is important to the discussion, not the way the holiday is celebrated.
You get Yule, another religious holiday.
Mate, even the AI slop from Google gets that right:
They made everyone call it Christmas, but the holiday was there before that.
That quote doesn’t disagree with anything I said.
You wouldn’t be able to celebrate Christmas without the Christians forcing everyone to call it that. You’d be celebrating a holiday with a different name.
If the characters in the movie call it Christmas, then a whoville Christ had to exist.
Christmas is just a name that’s used for it in English. You don’t ever pronounce it like Christ the name. There’s no point in using another name in a kids movie because then little children might not know it’s the same holiday.
In my country the name has nothing to do with Christ. We celebrate Jõulud. Though the tradition itself is older than the name. Meaning the whos can celebrate the exact same holiday with no implication of christ existing if you just switch languages.
Ok, but that doesn’t change the origin of the name Christmas.
So what you’re saying is that despite what we’ve heard Jesus is Not the reason for the season.