I think people overblow this a bit. Personally don’t care if there is a LGBTQ flag or not. And don’t think it matters, because it has no impact. It would be more worrying to me, when changing the integrity of story, characters or gameplay in example. Who cares if there is some texture that looked similar to a LGBTQ flag and had to be removed? I certainly don’t care (wouldn’t if they added it too BTW, zero impact).
I think i get what you’re saying and i also don’t care, but when a dev puts a flag in and people start getting weird about it then I start caring a lot.
I’m not queer, but I find throwing trans and rainbow flags around is a great way to get fascists and bigots and otherwise miserable people to out themselves.
Then it’s all equivalent. We agree nothing in the game is materially more important than anything else—it’s all just pixels and noises which trigger experiences in a player.
In the context of a video game it’s important to the video game and the people who make it and play it. In that context it’s a problem.
When it comes to a flag, yes. As long as the gameplay, story and character visions and the interactions are not compromised. It’s not all white and black.
As said, I’m not speculating or judging anything else than the removal of a flag. I personally think removing the flag doesn’t matter at all. I am not talking about ANYTHING ELSE.
If the developers chose to remove it, that’s not a big deal. If they just decided “Eh, this is a fictional world in the future, there’ll be different symbols. It’s too on-the-nose to have the exact flag”, good for them. No big deal.
Nobody is upset about it being removed from a player’s perspective.
The issue that people have is the developers are being censored. And specifically, what’s being censored is something that represents a group of people are actively being attacked and erased in parts of the world.
I hope that this explanation helps you see the situation differently. There’s nobody who’s upset because “I wanted to see the flag”. It’s bigger than that.
Not for me. (Edit: As long as they don’t change the actual functionality to be LGBT. I just say I don’t care about the flag itself, as long as we can fuck whoever we want. And they seem not to change that. It’s really just a flag…)
Oh, I was not aware of that. And I am not against LGBTQ+ people and I’m also not for Putin or China. And to be honest I never saw such comments in our community.
I’m just saying, that I personally don’t care about the flag itself in the game, as long as the functionality itself is preserved. I don’t want to have a compromised game, but a flag is not compromised to me.
Good. But this isn’t about you, it’s representation of minorities that they’re slowly removing and undoing years of blood, sweat and tears shed by people willing to fight.
My opinion is about me. A flag in the game has nothing to do with blood, sweat and tears of real life. It also doesn’t change the functionality, you just don’t get the flag in the game. Which is not important to me.
That’s not what is reported and is something you read into and we don’t know. If there are other requests, then its a different topic. I am strictly talking about the flag, nothing else here (as it is reported).
I think people overblow this a bit. Personally don’t care if there is a LGBTQ flag or not. And don’t think it matters, because it has no impact. It would be more worrying to me, when changing the integrity of story, characters or gameplay in example. Who cares if there is some texture that looked similar to a LGBTQ flag and had to be removed? I certainly don’t care (wouldn’t if they added it too BTW, zero impact).
I think i get what you’re saying and i also don’t care, but when a dev puts a flag in and people start getting weird about it then I start caring a lot.
I’m not queer, but I find throwing trans and rainbow flags around is a great way to get fascists and bigots and otherwise miserable people to out themselves.
It would be a problem if this was in real life, not in a game.
Then it’s all equivalent. We agree nothing in the game is materially more important than anything else—it’s all just pixels and noises which trigger experiences in a player.
In the context of a video game it’s important to the video game and the people who make it and play it. In that context it’s a problem.
When it comes to a flag, yes. As long as the gameplay, story and character visions and the interactions are not compromised. It’s not all white and black.
And you don’t see this as a surface level indicator that there’s likely a lot more meddling going on?
As said, I’m not speculating or judging anything else than the removal of a flag. I personally think removing the flag doesn’t matter at all. I am not talking about ANYTHING ELSE.
If the developers chose to remove it, that’s not a big deal. If they just decided “Eh, this is a fictional world in the future, there’ll be different symbols. It’s too on-the-nose to have the exact flag”, good for them. No big deal.
Nobody is upset about it being removed from a player’s perspective.
The issue that people have is the developers are being censored. And specifically, what’s being censored is something that represents a group of people are actively being attacked and erased in parts of the world.
I hope that this explanation helps you see the situation differently. There’s nobody who’s upset because “I wanted to see the flag”. It’s bigger than that.
If it was more than a flag removal, I would understand the issue. But it literally changes nothing.
It’s more than a flag removal by having deeper meaning than a flag removal.
As well, the game was cancelled. There may have been more censorship to come.
Just like rainbow crosswalks the flag itself isn’t that important, it’s the fact they’re being removed that’s the problem.
Not for me. (Edit: As long as they don’t change the actual functionality to be LGBT. I just say I don’t care about the flag itself, as long as we can fuck whoever we want. And they seem not to change that. It’s really just a flag…)
Not really surprised given the instance you’re from.
Wat are you accusing me off?
.ml usually sucking cock on Putin and Xi, two leaders/dictators known for their inclusiveness of the lgbtq+ folk
Oh, I was not aware of that. And I am not against LGBTQ+ people and I’m also not for Putin or China. And to be honest I never saw such comments in our community.
I’m just saying, that I personally don’t care about the flag itself in the game, as long as the functionality itself is preserved. I don’t want to have a compromised game, but a flag is not compromised to me.
Good. But this isn’t about you, it’s representation of minorities that they’re slowly removing and undoing years of blood, sweat and tears shed by people willing to fight.
My opinion is about me. A flag in the game has nothing to do with blood, sweat and tears of real life. It also doesn’t change the functionality, you just don’t get the flag in the game. Which is not important to me.
You don’t see the removal request as an indicator that there might have been similiar attempts during actual development?
Which removal requests are you talking about, if not about the flag?
Of course I mean that request.
That’s not what is reported and is something you read into and we don’t know. If there are other requests, then its a different topic. I am strictly talking about the flag, nothing else here (as it is reported).
You’re either dense or not acting in good faith.
Same could be said about you. Calling people in not good faith because they disagree or don’t believe without evidence isn’t good faith either.
a .ml user arguing in bad faith again. figures.