I don’t feel smug because I left Reddit. I feel sad that it turned into a vapid, sterile mockery of itself and I stopped having fun there. I like fun places. And I lost one.
The differences is that you have the power to make a new community or Lemmy site with blackjack and hookers. (Piefed is kind of like that for people unhappy with the Lemmy software or developers.)
Kind of. I don’t think the Internet will ever return to the heyday of Reddit.
Once governments and groups recognized that social media actually does move public opinion, that was the end of good, anonymous social media.
The ways to bring some of that back aren’t great. A community where everyone’s verified is much better, but it’ll be quite different from the Reddit days where you’d have (usually real) ridiculous subject matter experts chiming in on random threads.
You don’t get that with a small, verified population. And when you don’t have verification, well forever now have effectively psyops intending to influence you.
Well we can assume political discussions have a lot of psyops and people with agendas. I appreciate that many of the loudest voices/posters make it very obvious ;)
Some of the craziest niches aren’t on here (like if you clean sewers and septic tanks, DM me, you ought to do an AMA) but I have encountered people replying on mostly tech related topics on programming, linux, asklemmy, no stupid Qs where someone with niche tech knowledge did answer (i couldn’t find the original comment link, sorry). My knowledge is in trains, electricity, Japanese and Japanese electric trains, you can ask me about.
Its kind of already happening here - just for different reasons.
There is very little engagement on Lemmy besides in a few communities. What little engagement there is - is driven by a few users.
Even broad conversion topics get very little engagement.
I get not everyone wants to be a topic “starter” (i know I don’t), but they can’t even bother to either:
1: just post a tiny comment (look at “what are you watching” in the movies / TV subs on piefed.Social; seems like a real easy topic for anyone to engage in and yet there’s only ever like 10 posts and zero upvotes)
2: upvote topics or posts; While the points don’t matter - they still show and promote engagement.
If you really want a community to take off, you have to basically schedule yourself to make content there.
The lessons from every group I’ve grown (and haven’t) is that consistency is key. You have to develop the habit in other people, and it might take a long time to start.
If you want to be a Twitch streamer, for instance, you have to do it at the same time every day.
I’d note that the same phenomenon exists on Reddit. You’d be surprised how many subreddits on a site much larger are maintained purely by the power of a few posters who feed the community with posts.
I’d also argue that television and movies on piefed.social, per activity, are much more active than what you suggest there.
Voat was setup to be a one-to-one clone of reddit, minus any moderation and it failed because it was one-to-one. Lemmy/federation is functionally different.
oh thats rich- have you thought about how it’s essentially criminal to post about what you just posted about instead of making a post about how you are pessimistic about one of the problems facing humanity???
Do you think your input is not being used to train LLMs when posting on Lemmy? It’s publicly visible without an account.
I’d be shocked if there wasn’t either a scraper, or a whole federated instance, that was harvesting lemmy comments for the big ai companies.
The only difference is that no one is trying to make money off providing that content to them. A big part of the reddit exodus was that reddit started charging for api calls to make cash off the AI feeding frenzy, which broke tools the users liked. With lemmy, there’s no need for a rent-seeking middle man.
I don’t feel smug because I left Reddit. I feel sad that it turned into a vapid, sterile mockery of itself and I stopped having fun there. I like fun places. And I lost one.
same. only a matter of time till it happens here too
The differences is that you have the power to make a new community or Lemmy site with blackjack and hookers. (Piefed is kind of like that for people unhappy with the Lemmy software or developers.)
Kind of. I don’t think the Internet will ever return to the heyday of Reddit.
Once governments and groups recognized that social media actually does move public opinion, that was the end of good, anonymous social media.
The ways to bring some of that back aren’t great. A community where everyone’s verified is much better, but it’ll be quite different from the Reddit days where you’d have (usually real) ridiculous subject matter experts chiming in on random threads.
You don’t get that with a small, verified population. And when you don’t have verification, well forever now have effectively psyops intending to influence you.
Well we can assume political discussions have a lot of psyops and people with agendas. I appreciate that many of the loudest voices/posters make it very obvious ;)
Some of the craziest niches aren’t on here (like if you clean sewers and septic tanks, DM me, you ought to do an AMA) but I have encountered people replying on mostly tech related topics on programming, linux, asklemmy, no stupid Qs where someone with niche tech knowledge did answer (i couldn’t find the original comment link, sorry). My knowledge is in trains, electricity, Japanese and Japanese electric trains, you can ask me about.
How is piefed going? It looks like a really great alternative.
Absolutely fine. I can interact much better with the fediverse on here except search. I find Lemmy does search functions better currently.
That’s not losing too much. You probably don’t even have to sign in to use lemmy’s search.
this is actually what federation means to solve.
everyone can make their own lemmy!
I’m just going to leave that to the self-fellating elephants.
Its kind of already happening here - just for different reasons.
There is very little engagement on Lemmy besides in a few communities. What little engagement there is - is driven by a few users.
Even broad conversion topics get very little engagement.
I get not everyone wants to be a topic “starter” (i know I don’t), but they can’t even bother to either:
1: just post a tiny comment (look at “what are you watching” in the movies / TV subs on piefed.Social; seems like a real easy topic for anyone to engage in and yet there’s only ever like 10 posts and zero upvotes)
2: upvote topics or posts; While the points don’t matter - they still show and promote engagement.
Its honestly rather frustrating.
If you really want a community to take off, you have to basically schedule yourself to make content there.
The lessons from every group I’ve grown (and haven’t) is that consistency is key. You have to develop the habit in other people, and it might take a long time to start.
If you want to be a Twitch streamer, for instance, you have to do it at the same time every day.
I’d note that the same phenomenon exists on Reddit. You’d be surprised how many subreddits on a site much larger are maintained purely by the power of a few posters who feed the community with posts.
I’d also argue that television and movies on piefed.social, per activity, are much more active than what you suggest there.
Voat was setup to be a one-to-one clone of reddit, minus any moderation and it failed because it was one-to-one. Lemmy/federation is functionally different.
oh thats rich- have you thought about how it’s essentially criminal to post about what you just posted about instead of making a post about how you are pessimistic about one of the problems facing humanity???
Matter of time?? The libs of reddit have been infesting here for awhile now
what’s a lib
They mean a liberal.
.ML is a instance for people who support Russia. So they hate anything to do with progressive ideas.
Whats a liberal
I think they mean librarian? Or maybe the libyans
Liberians?
… and full of karma bots
… and using use input to train LLMs
Not antagonistically speaking here.
Do you think your input is not being used to train LLMs when posting on Lemmy? It’s publicly visible without an account.
I’d be shocked if there wasn’t either a scraper, or a whole federated instance, that was harvesting lemmy comments for the big ai companies.
The only difference is that no one is trying to make money off providing that content to them. A big part of the reddit exodus was that reddit started charging for api calls to make cash off the AI feeding frenzy, which broke tools the users liked. With lemmy, there’s no need for a rent-seeking middle man.