• davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    22 hours ago

    we don’t have capitalism.

    🤦 To say that is to say you don’t have even a Wikipedia-level understanding of capitalism.

    People think there’s one trick, one system, one thing that will fix shit.

    No, people don’t think that.

    Nothing will but work, time, effort, good judgement.

    Correct.

    What worked yesterday, won’t work tomorrow, at least without updating it.

    Correct.

    I don’t want to put in another fucking ism, I want to buckle the fuck down and fix the shit that’s wrong.

    People who don’t learn or develop theory can buckle down all they want, but they’re not going to get very far because they don’t understand anything.

    It is a lot of work, time, and effort, and some of that is necessarily intellectual work, if you actually want to succeed in changing the world. Otherwise it’s like saying you want to be able fly without developing theories of physics, aerodynamics, and internal combustion engines.

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      I’m not going to reply to any more stupidity in here. Go theorize all you want. I’ll just leave one comment.

      Otherwise it’s like saying you want to be able fly without developing theories of physics, aerodynamics, and internal combustion engines.

      Check a history book, that’s precisely how we started flying.

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        9 hours ago

        The Wikipedia page for the Wright brothers suggests otherwise. Preceding theory informs practice, which in turn informs theory, ad infinitum. They wouldn’t have gotten off the ground without standing on the shoulders of giants’ previous theories, or without creating/updating theories from their experiments and then putting those theories to the test in practice.

        Marx, Engels, and Lenin didn’t sit in a room and build castles in the sky. They (1) learned their predecessors’ theories, (2) deeply investigated the contemporary moment of the world, (3) updated preceding theories and developed new ones based on those investigations, (4) tested those theories in the real world, and so on in a dialectical manner.

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          8 hours ago

          The Wright Brothers did not know everything about flying, physics, engines, etc. They knew enough to do it, and did. In the years since we have written millions more pages and tried so many more things that if I want to fly, I don’t need to reinvent the airplane. This is the superpower of humanity, we don’t have to reinvent every time.

          We all know enough about capitalism, socialism, etc. to act. Instead we prefer to sit and wank longer about the best possible society; meaning all we can do is endlessly talk about the best possible society.

          The only way to actually build one is to learn what’s needed and act. Who cares what label it has, who cares if the theory is sound or not. If it doesn’t work in practice, you iterate forward.